[EVOLghost]

Many music genres have their look so to speak and to some extent I respect and tolerate it. I'm no fashion nazi, and in fact I like it, but some kids I believe go way too far with looking their "scene". Mainly talking about the whole Emo/Scream/ and whatever else they call their shit music. It leads me to believe that sometimes they listen to the music mainly to involve themselves in that fashion. I don't think I'd ever mutilate myself with more than 3 piercings on my face alone. I don't know, it was just something that was bugging me right now.

[afterthefact]

I completly agree, and I don't think it's only fashion that is involved. A kid I know got mad at me because I dared to speak against the movie Twilight. I mean, he was mad. I told him that you can tell a lot about the role something like that plays in their life - be it music, movies, whatever - by the way they defend it. If he were to say, "You don't know what you are talking about. You never saw it; that movie was great, and here's why: (insert reasonable points)," then that simply means that he lifes that sort of thing, and therefore enjoyed the movie. But by pushing me out the door and saying "You spoke against Twilight!" (and, by the way, he did actually say that; I'm not exaggerating), then he has taken it to a whole new level to where now his style of living is dependant on these sorts of movies.

[acousticrock87]

People who get mad at stuff like that have issues, but I have no problem with scene fashion. It's just an attempt to be who you want to be. It's not so much an attempt to be unique or cool as it is to be honest. To an extent, it takes guts to dress emo. I don't buy into a fashion in particular, but I can completely understand the desire to dress a certain way.

Of course, some people do it just to be "accepted," but that's not always the case.

[Sonic Youth 37]

I have a problem with gauged ears and tongues piercings. Outside of those, make an ass of yourself and I cannot be bothered to care.

[afterthefact]

Originally Posted by acousticrock87

To an extent, it takes guts to dress emo.

Of course, some people do it just to be "accepted," but that's not always the case.

I feel the opposite. I feel that it takes more guts not to buy into a scene. I mean, I know these kids say they are just being themselves, but I have a hard time swallowing that explaination when they go to Cosmic or Hot Topic and buy their clothes and all comb their hair the same way. Is it possible that they all happen to be the same on the inside, so that only by coincidence do they all have the same exterior appearance with their efforts to express themselves? Yes; but it's very unlikely.

Now, of course, and I will conflict my own words here, but only to express the fact that I'm not blindly convinced by what I say and I am reasonable in my explaination of things, that we are all victims of this. We could really examine ourselves and ask if we would do any of the things we do and wear any of the clothes we wear if it were not due to some outside influence. And sure, we are all succeptable to this and you can argue all day about whether or not this is a good thing. But I feel that when you have fooled yourself into believing that you are so different than everyone else, when in reality, you have only chosen to conform to a different style and standard than what you feel is most common, then you have an issue that goes beyond simply caving to what is popular.

[gualbert]

When I was a teen, I used to have a "grunge" look, and I was quite upset about the fact that human beings should dress/look the same way ( ie, a normal way ).

Now I look super-normal, and sometimes I'm annoyed when i see people with an excentric look ( at best, i don't care ).

ps: what about Twilight?
is it good?

[afterthefact]

I don't know anything about Twilight except for the fact that it's a teen drama about vampires. I would imagine it's no good, but I can't say because I haven't seen it; I only said it sucked to that kid because I knew it would piss him off.

[atsonicpark]

Shrug.

[✌➬]

Who cares how people dress. It takes more guts to dress like a hobo than anything else.

[ZEROpumpkins]

This has been the problem for so long man, it sucks but I spose as long as 12 year old girls are buying it, it's going to continue.

[afterthefact]

I don't see it as a problem in relation to society, as many people do, but it could be a problem for that individual, based on, as stated before, their motivation for doing so. If they truly are expressing themselves, or if they are just doing it because it's something to do and they just want to be cool (because, come on, who doesn't want to be cool, right?), then that is fine. But if they are doing it out of low self esteem and feelings of low worth, and they need that in order to feel in anyway normal, then while it may be a quick fix, it doesn't solve the problem.

[acousticrock87]

Originally Posted by afterthefact

But I feel that when you have fooled yourself into believing that you are so different than everyone else, when in reality, you have only chosen to conform to a different style and standard than what you feel is most common, then you have an issue that goes beyond simply caving to what is popular.

I do agree with this. The danger is when you dress for any reason other than just wanting to dress that way. When it becomes a burden for the person, a struggle to "be different" or the same, then it's wrong.

The key is to not fall into the trap of either trying to dress ______ or even, and sometimes especially, not trying to. I love the "grunge style," but that categorization just happens to coincide with what I like. In fact, I didn't even like the style until I stopped listening to grunge. Still, I sometimes find myself trying to get distance from it, like not buying something I actually want because it's "too grunge," which is really stupid. For that reason, I give people the benefit of the doubt that they just like what they wear.

[demonrail666]

^^Afterthefact.

I don't think it needs to solve any problems. Most problems people suffer at that age are specific to their age and as such they soon drop off, as does the need to dress like a cenobite, listen to Dark Tranquility albums and wank yourself silly to pictures of Sarah Michelle Gellar. The full sized back tattoo of Brandon Lee might prove more of an obstacle though.

[afterthefact]

I can see what you mean, although your Sarah Michelle Gellar and Brandon Lee references are about 10 years too late

[Glice]

You forgot the White Lightening (wisely).

[Herr Rail]

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by afterthefact

your Sarah Michelle Gellar and Brandon Lee references are about 10 years too late

Story of my life.

Originally Posted by Glice

You forgot the White Lightening (wisely).

[Herr Rail]

Am I the only one to have noticed that White Lightning tastes like tinned tuna?

[Glice]

Interesting story - a friend of mine's mum used to work at one of the factories that made white lightening (and the like), and we used to get the cider that wasn't fit for sale (so this is White Lightening that they legally weren't allowed to sell). I'm not a fan of cider these days, and that would've been the case whether or not I'd seen someone vomit blood because of it.

[Sonic Youth 37]

White Lightning?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PODFOF8rmSE

[Glice]

Originally Posted by Sonic Youth 37

White Lightning?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PODFOF8rmSE

 

It's perfectly vile, and you're lucky not to know it.

[vulva]

I make sure my arms are folded and I look uninterested at every show I go to so that everyone there knows I'm unimpressed by the pedestrian quality on stage.