[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

not hyperbole, i agree with trama that we should reduce the need for guns; however, where criminals can procure guns at will, it's criminal to deny citizens the right to self-defense. sorry, we disagree. no ar-15 or magazine ban for me. the other stuff, okay.

notice the sharp peak of crime drop in DC right after 2008 btw.

We can agree to disagree, and I can respect your opinions. However, we are talking about tangible realities, not just ideologies and opinions.

It is a circle. Where to criminals get the guns? That is right, theft from legitimate retailers, private sales, and straw purchasing. This is a FACT, PERIOD. Deal with it.

[Rob Instigator]

they ussually steal them though.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

they ussually steal them though.

Your point? The premise of gun control and restrictions is LESS guns around in circulation means LESS guns available for criminals to steal. Its like Barry O said about taxs, its not politics its math people! How is this not common sense exactly?

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

It is a circle. Where to criminals get the guns? That is right, theft from legitimate retailers, private sales, and straw purchasing. This is a FACT, PERIOD. Deal with it.

criminals will be criminals man. where do dealers get their coke and meth? laws against certain drugs prevent walmart from selling them, but not thugs.

the cartel boys can purchase globally.

[gast30]

if the us stopped the flow of weapons to mexico
they were a step forward

no one cared
so

money rules over fresh and intelligent future thinking
prevention can help

childeren still come out of their parents
so the parents are responsible

no intrest in a peacefull future
then make no childeren

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

criminals will be criminals man. where do dealers get their coke and meth? laws against certain drugs prevent walmart from selling them, but not thugs.

the cartel boys can purchase globally.

coke and meth are radically different.By the way, the banning of selling Ephedrine has SIGNIFICANTLY reduced meth production. Now cartels have to buy the stuff in Mexico. Wait, sort of proves the point about us being all in or nothing right? The US has strict laws on ephedrine, production in the US declined, where did it move to? Right. Mexico where the laws are lax, just like our situation in DC or Chicago with guns. Besides what the fuck criminals do you know have gun manufacturing capabilities? Do they own any factories that make weapons or ammunition? I thought not

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

coke and meth are radically different. What the fuck criminals do you know have gun manufacturing capabilities? Do they own any factories that make weapons or ammunition? I thought not

guns can be smuggled just like drugs

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

guns can be smuggled just like drugs

Yes, hence why we need to reduce the overall production and distribution in the US, which is what gun-control does. Where do the cartels get their guns in Mexico? That's right, from the US manufactures. I know we disagree but again, we're not talking ideology here, we're talking logistics and math

[tesla69]

It’s true: You are 64 times more likely to be killed by your doctor than by someone else wielding a gun. That’s because 19,766 of the total 31,940 gun deaths in the USA (in the year 2011) were suicides. So the actual number of deaths from other people shooting you is only 12,174.
Doctors, comparatively, kill 783,936 people each year, which is 64 times higher than 12,174. Doctors shoot you not with bullets, but with vaccines, chemotherapy and pharmaceuticals… all of which turn out to be FAR more deadly than guns.



www.naturalnews.com/Infographic-Firearms-vs-Doctors-Drugs.html


crazy if true. 40K people die in car accidents every year but that is ok for some reason. no talk of banning cars.

[gast30]

if childeren are indoctorinated to nationalistic or religious brainwashing
then it is not the childeren fault

childeren can not protect themself from brainwashing

they need to get out of this past
where childeren were forced to live the life the parents 'thought' their childeren hould live like

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Yes, hence why we need to reduce the overall production and distribution in the US, which is what gun-control does. I know we disagree but again, we're not talking ideology here, we're talking logistics and math

are you looking at the logistics and math of people who defend themselves from home invasions though? i'm not going to deny them the right to keep home-defense carbines so that the media can stop waxing hysterical.

[gast30]

the world of humans is sometimes 'horror'
soo many deaths


how long can you hold it out on this planet
is the question maybe


i prefer to stay poitive
because the world of nature is beautyfull


enjoy life , feel good is the plan


if humans don't intelligently and fast solve their earth problems
then they have to accept the consequences for not doing so

[Rob Instigator]

the sad truth of it is that there are too many instances in life where the choice is strictly between kill, or be killed.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

 

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

are you looking at the logistics and math of people who defend themselves from home invasions though? i'm not going to deny them the right to keep home-defense carbines so that the media can stop waxing hysterical.

Please explain to me exactly what the context of a large-caliber, high-powered, or carbine rifle is in self defense? What, from other deranged people who are over-armed? Hence the circle, reduce the manufacturing and access to such weapons, and people won't need them for defense. Besides of which and again, these weapons were designed by the military as assault weapons, that means forward attacks, not defense. The carbine rifle, the AR-15, the SKS/AK-47 were NOT designed for defense. EVERY SINGLE ASPECT AND FACET of their design and manufacturing is for forward combat, including their weight, accuracy, firing range, caliber, etc etc..

Self-defense = small arms and pistols, maybe a shotgun or a rifle. Anything else is just silly to try with a straight face to call it self defense..

Originally Posted by tesla69

It’s true: You are 64 times more likely to be killed by your doctor than by someone else wielding a gun. That’s because 19,766 of the total 31,940 gun deaths in the USA (in the year 2011) were suicides. So the actual number of deaths from other people shooting you is only 12,174.
Doctors, comparatively, kill 783,936 people each year, which is 64 times higher than 12,174. Doctors shoot you not with bullets, but with vaccines, chemotherapy and pharmaceuticals… all of which turn out to be FAR more deadly than guns.



www.naturalnews.com/Infographic-Firearms-vs-Doctors-Drugs.html


crazy if true. 40K people die in car accidents every year but that is ok for some reason. no talk of banning cars.

(a) just because the American medical system is frighteningly dangerous doesn't negate the tandem dangers of violence in a society saturated with fire-arms, particularly exceptionally dangerous ones above and beyond "self-defense"

(b) Car accidents are just that, accidents. Guns kill people intentionally, a world of ethical difference there.

 

Further, CARS ARE HEAVILY REGULATED FOR SAFETY. Their design, manufacturing, sales, and ownership are ALL HEAVILY REGULATED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. Can a small child legally purchase a vehicle in the US? No. Can a auto manufacture produce a vehicle without legally specified safety features? No.

Lord Jesus people, the NRA sure has embedded a fear-mongering culture in America

[gast30]

medication anti-depressivia makes people sick and that is the cauze of these mass shootings

all of the shooters were on medications
-sandy hook
-columbine
-aurora cinema shooting
.....

[gast30]

look at mexico
what happens if people use cocaine


all these cartel members use drugs non-stop, till insainity drives them to go and execute or totrure people

america know the gang of crip and bloods
also alot of shootings back in that day
they used also alot of drugs
wich feeds the paranoi and psychoses of beeing ' a gang member'

[Diesel]

God you guys and your guns. When you aren't drive-bying the latest pop star i'e 2-Pac and Biggie and britney. or shooting a bunch of kids i.e. no-one special in the eyes of gun totter pricks like yous. you should be picking up a knife and doing it like a man you fucking ward nine derelicts. Whats wrong with you? Do it like a man.

[gast30]

batman does it without the knife

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by gast30

batman does it without the knife

What?

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Diesel

God you guys and your guns. When you aren't drive-bying the latest pop star i'e 2-Pac and Biggie and britney. or shooting a bunch of kids i.e. no-one special in the eyes of gun totter pricks like yous. you should be picking up a knife and doing it like a man you fucking ward nine derelicts. Whats wrong with you? Do it like a man.

knives are for the poor for fucks sakes.