[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

See, this is what makes me all the more cautious and nervous around armed American citizens carrying guns in public, even if legally. These cops are trained, certified, experienced, and practice often. Yet, time and time again they accidentally hit people in cross fire, or come very close. I don't want to be standing in line grabbing some tacos and have some vigilante draw down on some purse snatcher behind me and accidentally shoot myself or someone else in the place trying to be Last Action Hero

actually, this is what makes me think the police shouldn't have the monopoly on guns-- especially in LA.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

actually, this is what makes me think the police shouldn't have the monopoly on guns-- especially in LA.

Again, what, you and rob really think y'all is that tuff to go against the whole team of those fuckers? You guys are literally crazy if y'all aren't just trolling me here. Seriously. This ain't 1968 in Oakland with the Panthers and a few shotguns, the government, the police, the military, those dudes roll tuff yo, ain't shit any buddy can do about it, period. Further, y'all honestly trust vigilantism more? HAHAHAHAHAHHAA.. good luck with that.

 

[tesla69]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Again, what, you and rob really think y'all is that tuff to go against the whole team of those fuckers? You guys are literally crazy if y'all aren't just trolling me here. Seriously. This ain't 1968 in Oakland with the Panthers and a few shotguns, the government, the police, the military, those dudes roll tuff yo, ain't shit any buddy can do about it, period. Further, y'all honestly trust vigilantism more? HAHAHAHAHAHHAA.. good luck with that.

You're right, both sides are fully armed. The difference is there are a few thousand of them and many millions of us, and most of them are there for a paycheck or to satisfy their pathology. I don't think anyone is encouraging civil war, but if the State refuses to purge the corrupt then they should expect to be treated as tyrants.

[tesla69]

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

Ted Nugent to attend the State Of The Union.
http://l1.yimg.com/nn/fp/rsz/021113/...1360626388.jpg

you think he'll shave and clean up or look like a fucking millionaire slob as he usually does - he'll fit right in with all the other pedos in DC.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by tesla69

You're right, both sides are fully armed. The difference is there are a few thousand of them and many millions of us, and most of them are there for a paycheck or to satisfy their pathology. I don't think anyone is encouraging civil war, but if the State refuses to purge the corrupt then they should expect to be treated as tyrants.

I hate to burst the bubble here but..


Tesla, Rob, Bytor, and !@#$%!, do you guys actually talk with other Americans or just project your deranged fantasies?

The overwhelming majority of Americans would tip their hat to the government, beg Uncle Sam to summarily execute ALL of the radicals, and be happy to carry on working for corporations and ultra-con "entrepreneurs" so long as they can still afford to shop and Walmart and dream big of buying that new TV or second car or addition to their house or great vacation. Americans are COMPLACENT, dulled by materialism and fear of each other. They would NEVER support a revolution, they would support a government CRACK DOWN. Do you think differently? Walk around your neighborhood or your workplace today and like Socrates in Athens ask them the profoundly deep question of what would they do in the case of an authoritarian government crack down on a revolution? You might be surprised and some responses there

 

[tesla69]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

I hate to burst the bubble here but..
Tesla, Rob, Bytor, and !@#$%!, do you guys actually talk with other Americans or just project your deranged fantasies?,

I doubt you do because you would never speak like that to someone to their face, it is always easy for you to anonymously smear the posters here when they upset your delicate nature. But yes, I speak about this to many people and find that most actually agree with me. of course I live in New York City which is a highly educated environment, so people are smart here.

This is interesting, someone is messing with Dorner's 'manifesto'. The media has already voted him guilt and is discussing the need to execute him with automated drones.
http://freedomguide.blogspot.com/201...er-dorner.html

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Tesla, Rob, Bytor, and !@#$%!, do you guys actually talk with other Americans or just project your deranged fantasies?

i have no "rising up against the government" delusion (the south tried, and lost); but damn, after what you wrote about the LAPD it's clear it makes no sense to call them when there's trouble. DIY or DIE!

and yeah, i know plenty people with at-home arsenals.

[Rob Instigator]

You need to check out TEXAS suchfriends. the liberals AND the conservatives AND the freaks AND the independents all got guns!

[!@#$%!]

one more thing-- when i canvassed for obama i encountered some voters who were afraid that "he'll take our guns". i responded "no such thing! obama has no gun platform!". i thought i convinced some of them.

mr. president made me a liar.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

one more thing-- when i canvassed for obama i encountered some voters who were afraid that "he'll take our guns". i responded "no such thing! obama has no gun platform!". i thought i convinced some of them.

mr. president made me a liar.

Now do you understand why I was criticizing all the civic and political participation you were preaching and committed to during the election season? What, did you forget that Barry comes from Chicago politics? I was surprised that it took this LONG for gun control to rise up, but its part and parcel of Chicago and Democratic platforms. Of course, the acknowledged hit-lists and active military engagement in two dozen countries over the past five years should be all the more upsetting if you ask me. Alas, I'm glad that you've realized that Barry was a let down, he wants !@#$%! guns too if such guns don't fit into the 1994-2004 restrictions

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

You need to check out TEXAS suchfriends. the liberals AND the conservatives AND the freaks AND the independents all got guns!

Having guns and willing to fight and armed resistance against the established and long time "so-called" legitimate military and police are entirely different. Americans above all else are fearful of authority, as much bravado as the Tea Party or the Socialists want to bark and rant at their conventions, the reality is there are very few Timothy McVeighs out there otherwise our country might more resemble Iraq or even Russia (where there are many bombings and political assassinations every year).

I am not trying to insult you guys, I am sorry for being so facetious. But seriously, guys, think about it, do you HONESTLY believe that a majority of Americans would support an armed public war against the government? All you have to do is ask people about the 1992 LA Uprising and gauge their response. Rob, you can have all the guns you want in Texas, but ask your fellow Tejanos about the Uprising, you know what they will probably call it? A RIOT! Will they recognize that it was actually a community political response to decades of police brutality, systemic poverty, and inept corruption in the local governments? No. They will say it was greed. They will say it was chaos. They will SUPPORT the LAPD and the NATIONAL GUARD BESIEGING OF LOS ANGELES FOR SIX MONTHS IN 1992. And trust me my sonic brothers and sisters, they would say the same thing if folks tried to rise up about gun control. What did they call the Occupy movement? Oh right, they called it lazy

Originally Posted by tesla69

I doubt you do because you would never speak like that to someone to their face, it is always easy for you to anonymously smear the posters here when they upset your delicate nature. But yes, I speak about this to many people and find that most actually agree with me. of course I live in New York City which is a highly educated environment, so people are smart here.

This is interesting, someone is messing with Dorner's 'manifesto'. The media has already voted him guilt and is discussing the need to execute him with automated drones.
http://freedomguide.blogspot.com/201...er-dorner.html

Anonymously smear posters? Not say it to their face? You're the one hiding behind your guns homie

I'm just speaking the real, you don't have to internet bang on me tuff guy, cool it with all that hotta fiyah, ya might just gwan and burn yourself!

The Truth? Americans are not radicals, they are right leaning centrists. What part of armed revolution is center-right exactly? Do you honestly think that if Americans were cynical enough to support revolution that more than 2,100,000 Americans would be sitting in a prison or jail cell at any given moment? Or that upwards of 48,000,000 children would be hungry? Or that the same number of people would have ZERO access to healthcare? Come of it. Americans are COMPLACENT. Me, I accept my fellow Americans for who and what they are, I've become a realist. I love people, flaws and all, so all I can do is sigh, regroup, and try my best to make lemonade of the shit situations in our communities. The government is evil, period. But it only reflects the inward evil in most people, so just removing the government wouldn't solve that, because the next assholes to step up would harbor the same evils. Combat the EVIL in society, not the people or the power which reflects it

[Rob Instigator]

all the people I know, the Latinos, saw the LA "riots" for what they were, an uprising of the populace against a corrupt local government. Now, the white people I know??????? ha!

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

all the people I know, the Latinos, saw the LA "riots" for what they were, an uprising of the populace against a corrupt local government. Now, the white people I know??????? ha!

And alas, Rob, who are we kidding? It is all those white folks who still run the country, and most Latinos wouldn't jump into a civil war so quickly. I don't think any of us should for that matter, especially over something so petty as misinterpretations of the Constitution.

I HATE AMERICAN COMPLACENCY AND CORRUPTION. However, I love Americans. I love people. So we got to work together one way or the other. HIM Haile Selassie I told us "Liberation before repatriation." We have to liberate our societies from the collective evil which keeps possessing us at different times and different ways. This struggle and battle is not political, is not legal, it is societal, it is spiritual. Part of societal is accepting other peoples' values. True, that means in this instance respecting peoples' beliefs about gun ownership. However, the compromise again has to be mutual. Further, if this belief becomes violent or harmful to the community at large (i.e. by destablizing the country through civil war and strife) than it is by definition anti-community. We can't accept friendly fire even as we have to swallow collateral damage. IF the government decides to take away certain or even ALL guns, we have to accept that, and work peacably towards a community-oriented solution. Fighting a blodclott war is not going to create that kind of peace, that is the US militaries favorite blunder, destroy the village to save it. No. SAVE THE PEOPLE, not kill them. Even those police or soldiermen we may disagree with, such are people too. Fight EVIL, not people.

If we kill or even just shoot them, how exactly are we any DIFFERENT than them?

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Motivated by a long child custody dispute, a man opened fire on Monday in the lobby of the New Castle County Courthouse just as the building was opening, leaving two women dead before police officers fatally shot him, the authorities said. Sgt. Paul Shavack of the Delaware State Police said two police officers suffered wounds that were not life-threatening. The gunman opened fire before he passed metal detectors in the lobby, the sergeant said. Joseph R. Biden III, the state attorney general, said at a news conference that the shooting was not a random act. “It’s developed out of a long — over the course of many years — custody dispute in the courts of this state,” he said.

NY TIMES

[Rob Instigator]

 

[h8kurdt]

That's probably the lamest attempt at a gun argument I've ever seen.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by h8kurdt

That's probably the lamest attempt at a gun argument I've ever seen.

you mean you don't have a fire extinguisher?

[Rob Instigator]

I just thought it was funny.

The idea that we are all advanced and past the time when individuals needed to defend their lives, families, and property with weapons is laughable to me.

laws do not stop crime. Police do not stop crime. why make it harder on a law-abiding citizen to try and stop crime when they see it happening to them?

I have friends with concealed handgun licenses here in Texas who have used their guns to stop rapes, robberies, etc. If someone is threatening you or yours, a neighbor with a gun is a million times more helpful than a goddamn cop.

[jon boy]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

I just thought it was funny.

The idea that we are all advanced and past the time when individuals needed to defend their lives, families, and property with weapons is laughable to me.

laws do not stop crime. Police do not stop crime. why make it harder on a law-abiding citizen to try and stop crime when they see it happening to them?

I have friends with concealed handgun licenses here in Texas who have used their guns to stop rapes, robberies, etc. If someone is threatening you or yours, a neighbor with a gun is a million times more helpful than a goddamn cop.

you live in a ridiculous fear state where you think that everyone is a potential threat and having access to a firearm will somehow help.

[Rob Instigator]

I actually do not. This is just common sense. the world does not only progress, but it also regresses, and quite often.

when it regresses, those with the means to defend themselves and theirs will be in a much better position.

[tesla69]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

I actually do not. This is just common sense. the world does not only progress, but it also regresses, and quite often.

when it regresses, those with the means to defend themselves and theirs will be in a much better position.

the arrogance of the antigunners is enraging, its not enough to make themselves helpless, but they need to make everyone helpless too. Its amusing how they project their fear onto others. They think everyone with a gun is bad. Car accidents and doctor mistakes kill more people than guns.