[Glice]

Originally Posted by hevusa

practice spaces, basements, garages, in the box... it doesn't really matter. the point is all the tracks will be from different locations (mostly untreated acoustically), recorded with various gear, with various levels of recording ability. Some will already be "mastered", others will not. it won't be an enjoyable listen.

Dude, honestly, FUCK OFF. You don't want to be part of this compilation for whatever reason - that's fair enough. You've made your opinions felt on mastering, time and again. We all know what you think now. There's other threads for you to talk audio geekery. If you want to carry on flaming in this thread, please don't. Just FUCK OFF.

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by hevusa

Really, thanks, but no thanks. A compilation dictated by demands from musicians screaming "don't touch my perfect track" is doomed to fail. Some tracks will be so quiet compared to others that will (by juxtaposition) sound too loud. It will make EVERYONE's stuff sound like shit.

NO THANKS! If it was being done properly I wouldn't mind including the revised version of my track.

Just curious. Why are you going on about things being done right and then YOU SUBMIT A TRACK THAT I SEEM TO REMEMBER YOU ADMITTED WASN'T EVEN COMPLETE? WHOHAHAHAHA!

[DeadDiscoDildo]

^^lol

[Savage Clone]

I really did not anticipate fifteen pages' worth of bickering.
Seriously unexpected.
This is what comes of a lighthearted, "fun" idea, I guess.

[Derek]

Just curious. Why are you going on about things being done right and then YOU SUBMIT A TRACK THAT I SEEM TO REMEMBER YOU ADMITTED WASN'T EVEN COMPLETE? WHOHAHAHAHA!

 

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

The gear in our studio is audiophile quality and produces recordings superior to many commercial studios.
Whatever. This is for fun. I had a track just sitting there doing nothing, and was happy to donate it. I'm not going to be precious about it. It is for fun.

This. Ya

Ps. Don't put my track anywhere near savage clones ay.

pps. on second thought do. in fact i'll submit another track so I can go before and after savages track, therefore, whoever goes before or after me will sound awesome and i'll sound shite yea !! everyone will be happy. If there are anymore superstudio songs on here i'll submit more and more tracks and thats where the name comes in. we can call this diesel and friends (/foes). There, sorted. har.

royalties

[Savage Clone]

FWIW, the track I submitted is not one of my "ultra hi-fi" tracks. It sounds OK, but not to the level of more recent recordings. Plus I would love to be next to diesel. I call that good company.

[knox]

Originally Posted by Florya

"you are a fool if you think your music would sound good inbetween two tracks mastered TOTALLY differently. Other people's tracks affect the way YOUR music would be heard"
A comment left by 'hevusa' on a previous post.

Whoever this idiot is just doesn't get it.

If my track was the sound of leaves rustling in a gentle breeze, that's exactly what I would want it to sound like. If my track was placed between two harsh noise tracks then so bo be it, I would still want it to be at its original volume, not cranked up to 11 to match the surrounding music. That would ruin my track. Sensible sequencing of the tracks would remove nearly all these so called 'mastering' problems

Mastering is an art form in itself and can fundamentally change the way a track sounds by the skillful application of filters and EQ. But the person doing the mastering needs to be experienced in the genre of music they are working on. It is not something that can be applied in a generic way to every type of music.
By the nature of the music that I write, fluctuations in frequencies and clashing harmonics produce sounds of their own that were never written into the original track, and after spending days, sometimes weeks, getting those frequencies and harmonics to sound just right, the last thing I'm going to do is to hand the track over to someone who's going filter the frequencies in an attempt to make it sound 'good', thereby undoing all my work.
So while Glice and GD have been kind enough to ask me to donate a track to this project, I am happy to do so. But if the track I donate doesn't fit, then by all means leave it out. I'm not being sniffy about it, I'm just saying that I have no problem with my track being dropped if my intransigence over mastering lowers the quality of the project as a whole.

Exactly.

That's why I have a problem viewing a compilation as some kind of unity, even when there's a theme and a certain degree of cohesiveness involved, there's always some randomness to it (which I like) and you gotta analyse each track individually, as you would each artist.

I've had tracks ruined by professionals who just didn't get what we were getting at, and if I could go back in time I would opt for no mastering at all in some cases. I do find it interesting, I like to be surprised by the results but I'm not alone in this and I work with someone who, unlike me, has all the technical knowlege and devotes himself to every detail.

Personally, I'm happy listening to bedroom cassette tapes or super overly produced tracks, as the essence that interests me is beyond that.

[Diesel]

There we go savage the opening two songs are sorted ;-) hear that glicer lad. I'll sort this shite out. It goes me - savage (edit version) - me - someone else (edit) - me - someone else (edit) - me - me -me (extended).... ay. see yuz around YEA !!

[Genteel Death]

I have so many cassette compilations that are not even dubbed properly, let alone mastered. Do I enjoy them less because of that? If the music's great I don't care one bit.

[DeadDiscoDildo]

Sometimes I enjoy it more.

For fucks sake, you'd think we're making jock jams or something.

This isnt 1995 Sony/Warner bros

and by ppl I mean Hevusa

I heard Britney needs her new record mastered tho...

[knox]

I have fallen in love with cassettes all over again, so forget about hevusa and tell me where to get cheap ones (remember when blanks were like 0.50)

[Derek]

knox you should do a tape release... and we can trade!

here's a random picture of some tapes i have that i put on fb:

 

[knox]

I'm trying, but they are selling blank tapes here for like 10 GBP and you need a connection with the right Korean guy to get them. It's just ridiculous. But I will, promise. I definitely want your tapes tho, pm about it?

[Genteel Death]

I buy a lot of them cheap from the Royal London Society for The Blind shop. Also, round these parts all the pound shops stock them and cost no more than 90p. There's a small record/dvd/vhs store outside my house called Sountek that sells both blank ones and small realeases of Bangladeshi musicians on tape. Cheap and a constant source of good sounds. And the artwork on a lot of them is often brilliant.

[A Thousand Threads]

I think I only have two original tape releases:
a) Neptune - White Tape: it got stuck in the cassette player in a friends car. He sold it alltogether for 200€.
b) Hat and Bread gave me a tape of his music but it was broken from the beginning. Strangely, it's stuck in a friends cassette player too.


Regarding mastering......

haha, no.
I really don't mind.

[knox]

glad i opted for reading the post this time, if it's not too much to ask could you pm the address of any/some of these shops?

[Genteel Death]

Google is your friend. Me, I'm not sure.

[hevusa]

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

Just curious. Why are you going on about things being done right and then YOU SUBMIT A TRACK THAT I SEEM TO REMEMBER YOU ADMITTED WASN'T EVEN COMPLETE? WHOHAHAHAHA!

It was complete as a demo at the time.
Now there is a new version of it with real drums and vocals however.

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by hevusa

It was complete as a demo at the time.
Now there is a new version of it with real drums and vocals however.

Sure. You've also missed the point of all this altogether then.