[fugazifan]

then shouldnt you thank the jews for killing him instead of holding it against them?

[acousticrock87]

Yeah I've never understood that.

[✌➬]

All we talk is about Jesus, he wasn't that cool of a hippie to begin with.

[ZEROpumpkins]

Haha good point

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

Because Catholics are Romans. And Romans hated Jews well before they changed the names of their Gods to those of Saints.

The real Christian dogma is that everyone future, past, and present is responsible for Christ's horrible death.

[ZEROpumpkins]

Originally Posted by SpectralJulianIsNotDead

The real Christian dogma is that everyone future, past, and present is responsible for Christ's horrible death.

Hence scaring them into believing.
Hence why I do not follow religion.

[fugazifan]

Originally Posted by SpectralJulianIsNotDead

Because Catholics are Romans. And Romans hated Jews well before they changed the names of their Gods to those of Saints.

The real Christian dogma is that everyone future, past, and present is responsible for Christ's horrible death.

but the finger is pointed at the jews more often than not

[blunderbuss]

I wasn't aware that we did hold Christ's death against the Jews, I thought we held it against mankind.

[Alex's Trip]

If he died for my sins, does that mean that criteria of who does and doesn't get into heaven is the idea of loving god constantly and strongly? I don't get how it can be so easy and how it can cause so much hate, and yet there is so much evil in the world. It seems an insufficient doctrine to prevent evil.

[wellcharge]

Originally Posted by Alex's Trip

If he died for my sins, does that mean that criteria of who does and doesn't get into heaven is the idea of loving god constantly and strongly? I don't get how it can be so easy and how it can cause so much hate, and yet there is so much evil in the world. It seems an insufficient doctrine to prevent evil.

no doctrine is sufficient to prevent evil

i think there's balance in all things, it's a shame but i don't think you can keep love and eliminate hate for example

[atsonicpark]

je... sus?

[ZEROpumpkins]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

je... sus?

Jewsus?

[Dead-Air]

Originally Posted by fugazifan

then shouldnt you thank the jews for killing him instead of holding it against them?

A lot of assumptions.

You ask about Catholics and then put a "you" into the question as if the reader is likely to be catholic. Not too many of them here, despite Thurston's upbringing.

Then there's the implication that the core of Catholic belief is that Jews killed Jesus. While I don't doubt that a lot of Catholics have probably had that prejudice in history, there is nothing in their belief system that says so. The tradition is that the Romans crucified Christ and Catholocism is the historical Christian church of the Romans.

Now, I'm sure that the inherent guilt that Catholics feel for having killed their savior has led many to look for somebody else to blame. Since the belief is also that the Jews didn't stop them from crucifying their leader and turned on him, they became easy scapegoats.

But of course all of this has nothing to do with the world we live in some 2,000 years after the mythic event. People of different religions tend to have animosity for each other the way that different gangs do, and usually over the same things like turf and bragging rights. The gangs are just a bit more honest about it.

[Danny Himself]

I'm Catholic and I don't blame the jews for anything- it's pretty retarded to blame a huge group of people for something their 2000-year-old ancestors supposedly did. Romans had as much to do with the death of Jesus as anybody else, and they ARE the Catholic church.

I don't think many people actually still believe in all that 'jews are to blame' bullshit anyway, I know I don't, so please don't generalise about my religion's beliefs.

[evollove]

- Many Catholics do thank Jews. I've never recieved a thank you card or anything, but I've heard this idea circulate before.

- Do the Jews really kill Jesus anyway? I might be wrong here, but Pontius Pilate had no problem killing folks. Why did he get all wishy washy on this guy? A few people suspect that this is one instance of the New Testaments historical, um, inaccuracy.

- For those who do blame the Jews, get a grip. America got over England's attrocities during the Revolutionary War. Hell, the world seems pretty cool with Germany noadays. Get a grip and practice some grace.

[mangajunky]

I thought the Romans killed him.
I wash my hands of this.

[fugazifan]

Originally Posted by Danny Himself

I'm Catholic and I don't blame the jews for anything- it's pretty retarded to blame a huge group of people for something their 2000-year-old ancestors supposedly did. Romans had as much to do with the death of Jesus as anybody else, and they ARE the Catholic church.

I don't think many people actually still believe in all that 'jews are to blame' bullshit anyway, I know I don't, so please don't generalise about my religion's beliefs.

i didnt mean to insinuate that you or anyone else on this board is of these opinions, and it wasnt anything against catholics, and i really shouldnt have put that "you" in my question.
i guess i should have prased it better

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

Originally Posted by evollove

- Many Catholics do thank Jews. I've never recieved a thank you card or anything, but I've heard this idea circulate before.

- Do the Jews really kill Jesus anyway? I might be wrong here, but Pontius Pilate had no problem killing folks. Why did he get all wishy washy on this guy? A few people suspect that this is one instance of the New Testaments historical, um, inaccuracy.

- For those who do blame the Jews, get a grip. America got over England's attrocities during the Revolutionary War. Hell, the world seems pretty cool with Germany noadays. Get a grip and practice some grace.

Jewish religious leaders had him arrested and gave him over to Pontius Pilate.

And then Pontius Pilate allowed the crowds to choose to spare one prisoner, and they chose a criminal.

I know there are Jewish people who refuse to acknowledge that any rabbi could ever be corrupt. Which seems strange to me. As a non-church going Christian, I accept the corruption of religious leaders as a fact of life.

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

Originally Posted by Alex's Trip

If he died for my sins, does that mean that criteria of who does and doesn't get into heaven is the idea of loving god constantly and strongly? I don't get how it can be so easy and how it can cause so much hate, and yet there is so much evil in the world. It seems an insufficient doctrine to prevent evil.

I don't think it is a doctrine to prevent evil. It's a doctrine of coming to terms with inherent evils.

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

Originally Posted by ZEROpumpkins

Hence scaring them into believing.
Hence why I do not follow religion.

I think that's a misinterpretation.

I think fear and guilt are things that really shouldn't be part of Christianity. I don't think that Jesus intended to be a fear monger when he taught people. I think the intention was to send a much more positive message.