why doesn't anyone around here talk about arthur russell?

davenotdead · 10.13.2009, 12:36 AM

??

don't tell me nobody else here is into him. just don't.

start talking fggts

atsonicpark · 10.13.2009, 02:25 AM

i used to have a secret slight disdain for reading Very New Bleeding Edge Research papers because i always felt like they built atop so many mountains of research that i would never begin to comprehend them without starting with some more fundamental paper that developed the seed ideas to begin with. but now that i've read a bunch of "classic papers" for karl's class, i'm starting to realize that sometimes the papers that build on a body of work give a much cleaner, more concise presentation of the old ideas, and sometimes these old papers are really darn crufty, in the sense that the meat of them is addressing an audience that needed to be convinced that these ideas were worth their salt, and these days we either think it's obvious (because they've become mainstream) or nonsensical (because they never caught on). i still enjoy it, but it's certainly in large part a historical undertaking, and i think only the gentzen paper (on natural deduction and sequent calculus) actually met my idealized vision of "pure, beautiful, old ideas, though new at the time, presented in a way that makes them crystal clear that they are Great."

Rob Instigator · 10.13.2009, 08:33 AM

never heard of leon russell

Toilet & Bowels · 10.13.2009, 10:03 AM

he's had lots of critical acclaim in the last few years but i find his music a bit dull

TheFoxBen · 10.13.2009, 10:22 AM

I don't know what to think about World of Echo... Weird record.

chicka · 10.13.2009, 11:59 AM

Leon Russell and Arthur Russell are two different musicians. I've never heard Arthur so he's on the
scene now. Leon goes back to the 60's and 70's where
he played a lot with Joe Cocker. Then stepped out on his own. Sort of a bluesy R&B piano player with a gruffy voice.

Rob Instigator · 10.13.2009, 12:08 PM

maybe you should share some arthur russell and get us started talking about him??

davenotdead · 10.13.2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

he's had lots of critical acclaim in the last few years but i find his music a bit dull

what have you heard?

his voice/lyrics are the most sincere i've heard. he's genius

rob, here's a couple good tracks you should hear:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq5gjfN5lns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVYHGQ31ZjA

Rob Instigator · 10.13.2009, 01:31 PM

not bad. he plays the cello ay?
cellos are great.
don;ty know why you would expect to see threads or discussions about him here though. he is better than leon russell

davenotdead · 10.13.2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

not bad. he plays the cello ay?
cellos are great.
don;ty know why you would expect to see threads or discussions about him here though. he is better than leon russell

yeah he does cello, and electronic stuff. he did a bunch of dance tracks which were pretty popular with the nyc underground crowd in the late 70s/80s.

i'd expect to see threads/discussions about him because he is great, and pretty notoriously died of aids, and was a genius overall.

his stuff is heartbreaking to uplifting. pop to alt-country to disco/electronic.

and he was WAY ahead of his time.

i did a search yesterday and was just a bit shocked that nothing came up. with how many threads we have about nirvana/misfits/merzbow/whatever... arthur is genius and deserves to be heard

davenotdead · 10.13.2009, 01:44 PM

here's a review : http://www.stylusmagazine.com/review...ld-of-echo.htm

philip glass said this about him: "This was a guy who could sit down with a cello and sing with it in a way that no one on this Earth has ever done before, or will do so again."

Rob Instigator · 10.13.2009, 01:59 PM

hel, I find it odd that people here talk about bob fucking dylan.

Toilet & Bowels · 10.13.2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by davenotdead

what have you heard?

i don't know, but enough to know it's not my cup of tea

davenotdead · 10.13.2009, 09:07 PM

he's not bob dylan...

he's 'experimental' ... that should fit on this board. or would you guys rather watch Gossip Girl with Thurston?

chairman of the bored · 10.13.2009, 10:12 PM

i love arthur russell...or what i've heard from him...'love is overtaking me' is an awesome posthumous release...a nice mixture of country, folk, weirdo cello ballads about dogs and pseudo-disco...err, it's alot better than it sounds

i've failed to get anyone else interested in him

EVOLghost · 10.14.2009, 08:59 PM

the tracks you shared were not bad Dave.

davenotdead · 10.14.2009, 10:16 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO2F48JKIlo

glad you guys are liking it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKG-xX7rov0

dionysusundone · 10.15.2009, 01:49 AM

Some of the groups I'm into reference his 'disco' records. Which ones are those?

davenotdead · 10.15.2009, 02:17 AM

Springfield, probably.

i don't think he has a full 'album' of 'disco' ...
"In the Light of the Miracle" is his big disco track, and it has several variations and appears on a couple different comps/albums

davenotdead · 10.15.2009, 03:41 AM

http://www.last.fm/music/Arthur+Russell/+wiki

forgot he did stuff with Ginsberg and David Byrne. that's pretty damn syg relevant.

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atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	i used to have a secret slight disdain for reading Very New Bleeding Edge Research papers because i always felt like they built atop so many mountains of research that i would never begin to comprehend them without starting with some more fundamental paper that developed the seed ideas to begin with. but now that i've read a bunch of "classic papers" for karl's class, i'm starting to realize that sometimes the papers that build on a body of work give a much cleaner, more concise presentation of the old ideas, and sometimes these old papers are really darn crufty, in the sense that the meat of them is addressing an audience that needed to be convinced that these ideas were worth their salt, and these days we either think it's obvious (because they've become mainstream) or nonsensical (because they never caught on). i still enjoy it, but it's certainly in large part a historical undertaking, and i think only the gentzen paper (on natural deduction and sequent calculus) actually met my idealized vision of "pure, beautiful, old ideas, though new at the time, presented in a way that makes them crystal clear that they are Great." __________________
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chicka expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: wormtown MA Posts: 1,549	Leon Russell and Arthur Russell are two different musicians. I've never heard Arthur so he's on the scene now. Leon goes back to the 60's and 70's where he played a lot with Joe Cocker. Then stepped out on his own. Sort of a bluesy R&B piano player with a gruffy voice. __________________ some men just want to watch the world burn
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Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,976	maybe you should share some arthur russell and get us started talking about him?? __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,976	not bad. he plays the cello ay? cellos are great. don;ty know why you would expect to see threads or discussions about him here though. he is better than leon russell __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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davenotdead invito al cielo Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 7,784	here's a review : http://www.stylusmagazine.com/review...ld-of-echo.htm philip glass said this about him: "This was a guy who could sit down with a cello and sing with it in a way that no one on this Earth has ever done before, or will do so again." __________________
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Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,976	hel, I find it odd that people here talk about bob fucking dylan. __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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davenotdead invito al cielo Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 7,784	he's not bob dylan... he's 'experimental' ... that should fit on this board. or would you guys rather watch Gossip Girl with Thurston? __________________
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chairman of the bored the destroyed room Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 569	i love arthur russell...or what i've heard from him...'love is overtaking me' is an awesome posthumous release...a nice mixture of country, folk, weirdo cello ballads about dogs and pseudo-disco...err, it's alot better than it sounds i've failed to get anyone else interested in him __________________ stay awake to the ways of the world
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EVOLghost invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: cybatraz! Posts: 11,537	the tracks you shared were not bad Dave.
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davenotdead invito al cielo Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 7,784	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO2F48JKIlo glad you guys are liking it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKG-xX7rov0 __________________
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dionysusundone the end of the ugly Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 871	Some of the groups I'm into reference his 'disco' records. Which ones are those? __________________ -James
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davenotdead invito al cielo Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 7,784	Springfield, probably. i don't think he has a full 'album' of 'disco' ... "In the Light of the Miracle" is his big disco track, and it has several variations and appears on a couple different comps/albums __________________
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davenotdead invito al cielo Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 7,784	http://www.last.fm/music/Arthur+Russell/+wiki forgot he did stuff with Ginsberg and David Byrne. that's pretty damn syg relevant. __________________
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