[king_buzzo]

but good poetry.

go ahead:

[krastian]

Gary Snyder
William Carlos Williams
Dylan Thomas

[Rob Instigator]

there is no such thing

[jonathan]

Originally Posted by krastian

Gary Snyder
William Carlos Williams
Dylan Thomas

only if you're into plants...

and I'm into plants, so it works out.

I've been digging the shit out of Kenneth Rexroth as of late. Definitely check out some of that shit. I ran across a piece by Rob Siliman titled "The Chinese Notebook" which has been a very interesting read.

[Savage Clone]

James Havoc
Richard Brautigan (I'm sorry, but he makes me laugh and cry at the same time)

[racehorse]

Originally Posted by jonathan

only if you're into plants...

and I'm into plants, so it works out.

I've been digging the shit out of Kenneth Rexroth as of late. Definitely check out some of that shit. I ran across a piece by Rob Siliman titled "The Chinese Notebook" which has been a very interesting read.

ron silliman??
yes!
wow, first time i've ever seen a mention of him on this forum!
buzzo should check out people like berrigan (the easy stuff, the sonnets are amazing but maybe not buzzos cuppa tea), frank o'hara, john ashberry etc etc. they are an introduction to a "modenist" mentality in poetics tho that still remain basically undifficult (clear images, narrative structure, poet is there in presence, long lines). i don't know whether buzzo wants to jump straight into silliman or other post-avants right away (or maybe he could just read his blog!). anyway - ashberry, shuyler, berrigan, o'hara tho it's only one route to go down, there are countless others....
if you're feeling saucy you could check out creeley, olson and zukofsky.

[lungfish]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

Richard Brautigan (I'm sorry, but he makes me laugh and cry at the same time)

i second this
and would like to add Bukowski to the list.

[HaydenAsche]

Sylvia Plath

[jonathan]

Originally Posted by racehorse

ron silliman??
yes!
wow, first time i've ever seen a mention of him on this forum!
buzzo should check out people like berrigan (the easy stuff, the sonnets are amazing but maybe not buzzos cuppa tea), frank o'hara, john ashberry etc etc. they are an introduction to a "modenist" mentality in poetics tho that still remain basically undifficult (clear images, narrative structure, poet is there in presence, long lines). i don't know whether buzzo wants to jump straight into silliman or other post-avants right away (or maybe he could just read his blog!). anyway - ashberry, shuyler, berrigan, o'hara tho it's only one route to go down, there are countless others....
if you're feeling saucy you could check out creeley, olson and zukofsky.

Good list of a bunch of people I've never heard of. I came across Silliman randomly. I was sitting in one of the computer labs at my school and looked over and saw this critical essay titled "Aesthetics of Poetry: A Manifesto" or something like that and he was listed as one of the authors. I checked out the Chinese Notebook (which is available online somewhere) and I thought it was great. I know very little about him or his significance. You should educate the class or lead us to a place where we could conduct our own research...

thought his shit ruled though. First line reading "Wayward, we weigh words" or something like that. Yes! haha

[HaydenAsche]

Originally Posted by HaydenAsche

Sylvia Plath

Daddy

You do not do, you do not do
Any more, black shoe
In which I have lived like a foot
For thirty years, poor and white,
Barely daring to breathe or Achoo.
Daddy, I have had to kill you.
You died before I had time---
Marble-heavy, a bag full of God,
Ghastly statue with one gray toe
Big as a Frisco seal
And a head in the freakish Atlantic
Where it pours bean green over blue
In the waters off the beautiful Nauset.
I used to pray to recover you.
Ach, du.
In the German tongue, in the Polish town
Scraped flat by the roller
Of wars, wars, wars.
But the name of the town is common.
My Polack friend
Says there are a dozen or two.
So I never could tell where you
Put your foot, your root,
I never could talk to you.
The tongue stuck in my jaw.
It stuck in a barb wire snare.
Ich, ich, ich, ich,
I could hardly speak.
I thought every German was you.
And the language obscene
An engine, an engine,
Chuffing me off like a Jew.
A Jew to Dachau, Auschwitz, Belsen.
I began to talk like a Jew.
I think I may well be a Jew.
The snows of the Tyrol, the clear beer of Vienna
Are not very pure or true.
With my gypsy ancestress and my weird luck
And my Taroc pack and my Taroc pack
I may be a bit of a Jew.
I have always been sacred of you,
With your Luftwaffe, your gobbledygoo.
And your neat mustache
And your Aryan eye, bright blue.
Panzer-man, panzer-man, O You----
Not God but a swastika
So black no sky could squeak through.
Every woman adores a Fascist,
The boot in the face, the brute
Brute heart of a brute like you.
You stand at the blackboard, daddy,
In the picture I have of you,
A cleft in your chin instead of your foot
But no less a devil for that, no not
Any less the black man who
Bit my pretty red heart in two.
I was ten when they buried you.
At twenty I tried to die
And get back, back, back to you.
I thought even the bones would do.
But they pulled me out of the sack,
And they stuck me together with glue.
And then I knew what to do.
I made a model of you,
A man in black with a Meinkampf look
And a love of the rack and the screw.
And I said I do, I do.
So daddy, I'm finally through.
The black telephone's off at the root,
The voices just can't worm through.
If I've killed one man, I've killed two---
The vampire who said he was you
And drank my blood for a year,
Seven years, if you want to know.
Daddy, you can lie back now.
There's a stake in your fat black heart
And the villagers never liked you.
They are dancing and stamping on you.
They always knew it was you.
Daddy, daddy, you bastard, I'm through.

[the ikara cult]

Get Yrself some Larkin

[Norma J]

W.B. Yeats.
and
Bukowski has already been mentioned, but he's great.

[finding nobody]

Allen Ginsburg dude


https://notes.utk.edu/bio/greenberg....ElemFormat=jpg
I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by
madness, starving hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at
dawn looking for an angry fix,
angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient
heavenly connection to the starry dynamo in the
machinery of night,
who poverty and tatters and hollow-eyed and high
sat up smoking in the supernatural darkness of
cold-water flats floating across the tops of cities
contemplating jazz,
who bared their brains to Heaven under the El and
saw Mohammedan angels staggering on tene-
ment roofs illuminated,
who passed through universities with radiant cool
eyes hallucinating Arkansas and Blake-light tragedy
among the scholars of war,
who were expelled from the academies for crazy &
publishing obscene odes on the windows of the skull,
who cowered in unshaven rooms in underwear, burn-
ing their money in wastebaskets and listening
to the Terror through the wall,
who got busted in their pubic beards returning through
Laredo with a belt of marijuana for New York,
who ate fire in paint hotels or drank turpentine in
Paradise Alley, death, or purgatoried their torsos night after night
with dreams, with drugs, with waking nightmares, al-
cohol and cock and endless balls,
incomparable blind; streets of shuddering coud and lightning in the mind leaping toward poles of
Canada & Paterson, illuminating all the mo-
tionless world of Time between,
Peyote solidities of halls, backyard green tree cemetery
dawns, wine drunkenness over the rooftops,
storefront boroughs of teahead joyride neon
blinking traffic light, sun and moon and tree
vibrations in the roaring winter dusks of Brook-
lyn

https://notes.utk.edu/bio/greenberg....3?OpenDocument

[racehorse]

if you're gonna read howl, king_buzzo, get a book. the copy and paste job above screwed with the line breaks.

[jonathan]

and definitely read Howl.

[k-krack]

Allen Ginsberg, Jack Kerouac, Lawrence Ferlighetti, Peter Orlovsky...

[timpickens]

Steven Jesse Bernstein
Reagan Butcher

[Poor Immigrant]

Originally Posted by finding nobody

Allen Ginsburg dude


https://notes.utk.edu/bio/greenberg....ElemFormat=jpg
I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by
madness, starving hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at
dawn looking for an angry fix,
angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient
heavenly connection to the starry dynamo in the
machinery of night,
who poverty and tatters and hollow-eyed and high
sat up smoking in the supernatural darkness of
cold-water flats floating across the tops of cities
contemplating jazz,
who bared their brains to Heaven under the El and
saw Mohammedan angels staggering on tene-
ment roofs illuminated,
who passed through universities with radiant cool
eyes hallucinating Arkansas and Blake-light tragedy
among the scholars of war,
who were expelled from the academies for crazy &
publishing obscene odes on the windows of the skull,
who cowered in unshaven rooms in underwear, burn-
ing their money in wastebaskets and listening
to the Terror through the wall,
who got busted in their pubic beards returning through
Laredo with a belt of marijuana for New York,
who ate fire in paint hotels or drank turpentine in
Paradise Alley, death, or purgatoried their torsos night after night
with dreams, with drugs, with waking nightmares, al-
cohol and cock and endless balls,
incomparable blind; streets of shuddering coud and lightning in the mind leaping toward poles of
Canada & Paterson, illuminating all the mo-
tionless world of Time between,
Peyote solidities of halls, backyard green tree cemetery
dawns, wine drunkenness over the rooftops,
storefront boroughs of teahead joyride neon
blinking traffic light, sun and moon and tree
vibrations in the roaring winter dusks of Brook-
lyn

Damn Straight!

[m1rr0r dash]

arthur rimbaud

...anyone know a good translation of illuminations? the one i have ranges from decent to terrible.



o mon bien! o mon beau! fanfare atroce où je ne trébuche point! chevalet féerique! hourra pour l'œuvre inouïe et pour le corps merveilleux, pour la première fois!


gets translated as:



oh my good! oh my beauty! mind-blowing jive that won't mess with my footwork! cool torture, far out! let's hear it for the good shit they can't hear and for the luscious body, this first time around!



fanfare atroce = mind-blowing jive?
chevalet féerique = cool torture, far out?

...nothing wrong with some beat poetry, but not when i'm trying to read rimbaud...

[uhler]

yeah ginsberg is probably my favorite poet. i just ordered his early poetry and journal collections for less than 5 bucks.