Joy Division vs. New Order

Torn Curtain · 08.30.2007, 02:45 PM

As several boardies have said they preferred New Order to Joy Division, I thought a poll asking which of those 2 bands you think is the best could be a good idea (I was surprised because I always thought that Joy Division were undeniably better).

Crumb's Crunchy Delights · 08.30.2007, 02:50 PM

I come down on the side of New Order.

Joy Division were good, but wouldn't have been as legendary if it weren't for Ian Curtis dying the way he did.

New Order have written some incredible songs.

floatingslowly · 08.30.2007, 02:56 PM

what crumb's said.

demonrail666 · 08.30.2007, 03:01 PM

New Order

SpectralJulianIsNotDead · 08.30.2007, 03:02 PM

I vote for Joy Division. New Order made a lot of stinkers. Plus my favorite New Order song was actually written when they were Joy Division.

atsonicpark · 08.30.2007, 03:04 PM

The Can vs. Faust thread? Where I said it's like comparing Mozart to Beck?
This is like comparing Boredoms to Bloodhound Gang. Give me a break. Joy Division for the win.

Crumb's Crunchy Delights · 08.30.2007, 03:06 PM

I predict a young/old divide.

Angsty teenagers for JD.Haha

Everyneurotic · 08.30.2007, 03:06 PM

ali vs foreman

to tell you the truth, i don't listen to ian curtis lyrics.

Florya · 08.30.2007, 03:45 PM

Joy Division. No contest.
As someone else said, New Order's best stuff was written when they were Joy Division.

Joy Division were legendary way before Ian Curtis' death.
In my house at least.

zedius · 08.30.2007, 04:01 PM

New Order entirely. I feel like Joy Division is the ashes to New Order's Pheonix, or something lame like that.

Of course, New Order did have a lot of stinkers.

Trasher02 · 08.30.2007, 04:14 PM

Ridiculous question.
Joy Division without a doubt.

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Originally Posted by Crumb's Crunchy Delights

Joy Division were good, but wouldn't have been as legendary if it weren't for Ian Curtis dying the way he did.

Ian's suicide did make them more famous but that doesn't take away the fact that they had brilliant songs.

Savage Clone · 08.30.2007, 05:26 PM

I haven't been an "angsty teenager" for many years and I still vastly prefer Joy Division. New Order's first album is pretty great and I love Blue Monday and Low Life, but they made so much horrible stuff that it dilutes the great material to no end. The amount of weak tracks compared to great ones in JD's catalogue is so slim as to be statistically irrelevant.

soapbars · 08.30.2007, 06:22 PM

joy division,

i dont really like new order,

Toilet & Bowels · 08.30.2007, 06:25 PM

joy division, new order are for pussies.

Everyneurotic · 08.30.2007, 06:57 PM

i think i'll listen to jd after black flag ends.

pbradley · 08.30.2007, 07:05 PM

I almost always prefer bass-driven to synth-driven.

Dead-Air · 08.30.2007, 10:52 PM

New Order were creative guys with a whole lot of funding to mess around, but that only makes them in league with the Chemical Brothers or some other hit and miss alternative pop laboratory with some amount of finger on the current.

Joy Division were one of the most important first generation post-punk bands, and ironically had infinitely more pop sense as an underbelly! That some of the same guys went on to make less edgy and simultaneously less relevant dance mix experiments... Ian obviously wasn't sticking around for that.

Pax Americana · 08.30.2007, 11:02 PM

Totally Joy Division.

k-krack · 08.30.2007, 11:11 PM

New Order is a mockery, especially compared to Joy Division. However, they do a fucking heartwrenching Ceremony (still an Ian/JD song).

And speaking of Joy Division! I can't wait to get my hands on those vinyl reissues!!! AHHH!

k-krack · 08.30.2007, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SpectralJulianIsNotDead

Plus my favorite New Order song was actually written when they were Joy Division.

bam!

View Poll Results: Which band is the best ?
Joy Division	42	84.00%
New Order	8	16.00%
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08.30.2007, 02:45 PM	#1
Torn Curtain invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: France Posts: 7,997	As several boardies have said they preferred New Order to Joy Division, I thought a poll asking which of those 2 bands you think is the best could be a good idea (I was surprised because I always thought that Joy Division were undeniably better).
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Crumb's Crunchy Delights expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: okie's in the pokie Posts: 1,352	I come down on the side of New Order. Joy Division were good, but wouldn't have been as legendary if it weren't for Ian Curtis dying the way he did. New Order have written some incredible songs.
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floatingslowly invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 21,165	what crumb's said.
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demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	New Order
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SpectralJulianIsNotDead invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,409	I vote for Joy Division. New Order made a lot of stinkers. Plus my favorite New Order song was actually written when they were Joy Division.
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atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	The Can vs. Faust thread? Where I said it's like comparing Mozart to Beck? This is like comparing Boredoms to Bloodhound Gang. Give me a break. Joy Division for the win. __________________
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Crumb's Crunchy Delights expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: okie's in the pokie Posts: 1,352	I predict a young/old divide. Angsty teenagers for JD.Haha
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Everyneurotic invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mexico Posts: 15,713	ali vs foreman to tell you the truth, i don't listen to ian curtis lyrics. __________________ Richard Clayderman found alive and still bland! Repo Man has all night! Photographic evidence of Monosodic's existance! New Kiddieriot shit after all! Never too late to share fave rex from the year before! David Keenan is a douchebag! Ron Asheton missed!
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Florya expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: a little world, all of my own. Posts: 1,668	Joy Division. No contest. As someone else said, New Order's best stuff was written when they were Joy Division. Joy Division were legendary way before Ian Curtis' death. In my house at least. __________________ it takes an old guy like bloodbeach'85 to get anything right - atari 2600 listening mirror @ Soundcloud http://soundcloud.com/listening-mirror
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08.30.2007, 04:01 PM	#10
zedius children of satan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Victoria, B.C. Posts: 260	New Order entirely. I feel like Joy Division is the ashes to New Order's Pheonix, or something lame like that. Of course, New Order did have a lot of stinkers. __________________ Do you believe in raptors?
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08.30.2007, 05:26 PM	#12
Savage Clone invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,290	I haven't been an "angsty teenager" for many years and I still vastly prefer Joy Division. New Order's first album is pretty great and I love Blue Monday and Low Life, but they made so much horrible stuff that it dilutes the great material to no end. The amount of weak tracks compared to great ones in JD's catalogue is so slim as to be statistically irrelevant.
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08.30.2007, 06:22 PM	#13
soapbars the destroyed room Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Teesside, England Posts: 559	joy division, i dont really like new order,
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Toilet & Bowels invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 12,268	joy division, new order are for pussies.
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08.30.2007, 06:57 PM	#15
Everyneurotic invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mexico Posts: 15,713	i think i'll listen to jd after black flag ends. __________________ Richard Clayderman found alive and still bland! Repo Man has all night! Photographic evidence of Monosodic's existance! New Kiddieriot shit after all! Never too late to share fave rex from the year before! David Keenan is a douchebag! Ron Asheton missed!
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pbradley invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SoKo Posts: 10,621	I almost always prefer bass-driven to synth-driven.
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08.30.2007, 10:52 PM	#17
Dead-Air invito al cielo Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Portland OR Posts: 4,300	New Order were creative guys with a whole lot of funding to mess around, but that only makes them in league with the Chemical Brothers or some other hit and miss alternative pop laboratory with some amount of finger on the current. Joy Division were one of the most important first generation post-punk bands, and ironically had infinitely more pop sense as an underbelly! That some of the same guys went on to make less edgy and simultaneously less relevant dance mix experiments... Ian obviously wasn't sticking around for that. __________________ FuckBook; My Band; My Radio Show; My Flickr Page; Science Fiction Message Board
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08.30.2007, 11:02 PM	#18
Pax Americana expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,187	Totally Joy Division.
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08.30.2007, 11:11 PM	#19
k-krack invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Location: On Posts: 7,380	New Order is a mockery, especially compared to Joy Division. However, they do a fucking heartwrenching Ceremony (still an Ian/JD song). And speaking of Joy Division! I can't wait to get my hands on those vinyl reissues!!! AHHH! __________________ sandwich klub 4 men. Danny is a C.H.U.D.
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