louder's hip-hop café V - Page 92

Severian · 05.04.2016, 11:04 AM

Not that Aphex Twin and Kanye don't revel in plenty of anxious the near, but RDJ's done so much in so many different styles and formats that if the panicky glitch shit isn't working for you, you can throw on some of his ambient material, or his more emotionless cascading labyrinthine jams, a la Syro, and Kanye always makes room for sex references and jokes a plenty to deflate the musical tension a bit.

Radiohead, despite all their purported genius, doesn't seem to actually know how to not be devastatingly grim, all the fucking time. It's exhausting.

noisereductions · 05.04.2016, 12:31 PM

I actually don't disagree.

I mean, both In Rainbows and King Of Limbs ended up in my year end Top 10 lists, but at the same time I feel like for the past decade plus, Radiohead have suffered the fate of sounding like Radiohead. Like, I love the band. But nothing they've done after Amnesiac has really felt all that different. I mean there were moments, sure. But as albums it's not like the transitions from The Bends to OK Computer to Kid A/Amnesiac where every album was like OMG what will they do next? Y'know? They've gotten into a groove of "here's a new Radiohead album" and you hear it and you're like "oh yeah. That's what it is. A new Radiohead album. I still like that band."

louder · 05.04.2016, 01:15 PM

The new song is just nice at best for me. I've heard it 3-4 times. Meh.

louder · 05.04.2016, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian

Yeah. I heard about/watched/listened to it.

Not sure what I actually think at the moment. I've been sick of Radiohead's gloominess for the better part of 20 years. If they really wanted to shake things up, they'd make music that, for once, was not about socio-cultural, economic, political and personal anxiety and panic.

It's a good song, but no part of me was dying to hear a Radiohead song about neo-McCarthyism. In other words, I think they've pretty well covered all the different types of anxiety and dread that I have any interest in re- experiencing aurally.

At least with There There, Myxomatosis, etc. there was a nice crunchy groove to take my mind off the incessant claustrophobia ad doomism of the lyrics. As "varied" and "innovative" as the band has been, one thing they've never even attempted is uplifting music. And Jesus, that depressing shit gets old after 2½ decades.

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Originally Posted by noisereductions

I actually don't disagree.

I mean, both In Rainbows and King Of Limbs ended up in my year end Top 10 lists, but at the same time I feel like for the past decade plus, Radiohead have suffered the fate of sounding like Radiohead. Like, I love the band. But nothing they've done after Amnesiac has really felt all that different. I mean there were moments, sure. But as albums it's not like the transitions from The Bends to OK Computer to Kid A/Amnesiac where every album was like OMG what will they do next? Y'know? They've gotten into a groove of "here's a new Radiohead album" and you hear it and you're like "oh yeah. That's what it is. A new Radiohead album. I still like that band."

So true.

louder · 05.04.2016, 01:16 PM

So Jay is really working on a response album to Lemonade:
http://www.complex.com/music/2016/05...yonce-lemonade

Rob Instigator · 05.04.2016, 01:24 PM

Jay Z will title it "You want Lemonade? I give you Golden Showers'

noisereductions · 05.04.2016, 01:27 PM

whether this is real drama or a fabricated marketing move, they both win. Drama like this would shift more units than if they had just made a whole album together y'know?

Either way, remember when I said that Jay is best when he's got a concept to push him to write about SOMETHING? Like on Am Gangster? I mean, he wrote that shit as a character - and it still was the best thing he'd done since The Blueprint.

Rob Instigator · 05.04.2016, 01:53 PM

I just don;t give a shit about anything a 50 year old multi-millionaire wishes to rap about.

noisereductions · 05.04.2016, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

I just don;t give a shit about anything a 50 year old multi-millionaire wishes to rap about.

how old is Scarface?

Rob Instigator · 05.04.2016, 02:24 PM

I don't give a shit what 'Face raps about anymore either....

Rob Instigator · 05.04.2016, 02:26 PM

he has a "net worth" of $500,000.... far far far lower than Jay Z or P Diddy or Kanyeeee

louder · 05.04.2016, 02:28 PM

I'll judge the album when it drops.. if it's good then it's good. We'll see.

noisereductions · 05.04.2016, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

he has a "net worth" of $500,000.... far far far lower than Jay Z or P Diddy or Kanyeeee

haha whatever - I was giving you a hard time.

I don't care who has how much or who's dating who or whatever. Good albums are good and bad ones are bad.

louder · 05.04.2016, 02:48 PM

Joe Budden calls VIEWS mediocre, says Drake sounds uninspired, misses the old Drake: https://www.instagram.com/p/BE_Lob1u7Nk/

Can't help but agree.

noisereductions · 05.04.2016, 04:02 PM

well that answers the question that was on everyones' minds... WHAT DOES JOE BUDDEN THINK OF THE NEW DRAKE ALBUM?

louder · 05.04.2016, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions

well that answers the question that was on everyones' minds... WHAT DOES JOE BUDDEN THINK OF THE NEW DRAKE ALBUM?

LOL.. what do you think about the album though?? That's what I'd like to know.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous · 05.04.2016, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Severian

Yeah. I heard about/watched/listened to it.

Not sure what I actually think at the moment. I've been sick of Radiohead's gloominess for the better part of 20 years. If they really wanted to shake things up, they'd make music that, for once, was not about socio-cultural, economic, political and personal anxiety and panic.

It's a good song, but no part of me was dying to hear a Radiohead song about neo-McCarthyism. In other words, I think they've pretty well covered all the different types of anxiety and dread that I have any interest in re- experiencing aurally.

At least with There There, Myxomatosis, etc. there was a nice crunchy groove to take my mind off the incessant claustrophobia ad doomism of the lyrics. As "varied" and "innovative" as the band has been, one thing they've never even attempted is uplifting music. And Jesus, that depressing shit gets old after 2½ decades.

I never thought of radiohead as gloomy, i feel its a stereotype

SuchFriendsAreDangerous · 05.04.2016, 05:47 PM

I also disagree with saying radiohead all sounds the same. I hear a world of difference between King of Limbs and In Rainbows.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous · 05.04.2016, 05:48 PM

Indeed i kind of thought of King of Limbs as being an uplifting record

Severian · 05.04.2016, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions

I actually don't disagree.

I mean, both In Rainbows and King Of Limbs ended up in my year end Top 10 lists, but at the same time I feel like for the past decade plus, Radiohead have suffered the fate of sounding like Radiohead. Like, I love the band. But nothing they've done after Amnesiac has really felt all that different. I mean there were moments, sure. But as albums it's not like the transitions from The Bends to OK Computer to Kid A/Amnesiac where every album was like OMG what will they do next? Y'know? They've gotten into a groove of "here's a new Radiohead album" and you hear it and you're like "oh yeah. That's what it is. A new Radiohead album. I still like that band."

All the Radiohead songs I like best, the ones I go back to now and then, are the ones that feel fresh and are pushed by a kind of dizzy momentum. I'm talking about Airbag, Karma Police, kid a, idioteque, I Might Be Wrong, There There, Myomatosis, Separator... I NEVER sit there and think, "You know what I'd love to hear right now? Knives fucking out and pyramid song and Codex, because I really want to feel like slitting my goddamn wrists."

It probably doesn't help that I've been listening to Radiohead songs and thinking about relationships since The Bends came out. Probably doesn't help either that I am kind of a morose person in general, and I tend toward depression sometimes. But seriously, I can't listen to ANY of their albums all the way through. When I was younger there was almost a kind of youthful energy that came with feeling melancholy, but now I'm just not fucking interested.

It's sad, because I've been a fan forever, but no band is more relentlessly depressing than Radiohead. Even their "happier" songs are filled with unsettling imagery and extremely dark themes. I think a lot of it is Thom Yorke's fault. As a lyricist, he's like a slightly more dynamic Trent Reznor. It's all pigs and knives and bad acid trips. The band itself is done a disservice by this, because musically they're just about the most solidly talented 5-piece band on the planet, but they stick to this really depressing lyrical and thematic shit, and it puts them in a box.

When I do listen to Knives Out, I listen to the Flaming Lips version. Live is too bleak to sit around listening to bleak ass music all the time. This is one of the main reasons I spend so much time with hip-hop and vocalless electronic music.

05.04.2016, 11:04 AM	#1821
Severian invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 11,746	Not that Aphex Twin and Kanye don't revel in plenty of anxious the near, but RDJ's done so much in so many different styles and formats that if the panicky glitch shit isn't working for you, you can throw on some of his ambient material, or his more emotionless cascading labyrinthine jams, a la Syro, and Kanye always makes room for sex references and jokes a plenty to deflate the musical tension a bit. Radiohead, despite all their purported genius, doesn't seem to actually know how to not be devastatingly grim, all the fucking time. It's exhausting.
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05.04.2016, 12:31 PM	#1822
noisereductions invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England, USA Posts: 16,210	I actually don't disagree. I mean, both In Rainbows and King Of Limbs ended up in my year end Top 10 lists, but at the same time I feel like for the past decade plus, Radiohead have suffered the fate of sounding like Radiohead. Like, I love the band. But nothing they've done after Amnesiac has really felt all that different. I mean there were moments, sure. But as albums it's not like the transitions from The Bends to OK Computer to Kid A/Amnesiac where every album was like OMG what will they do next? Y'know? They've gotten into a groove of "here's a new Radiohead album" and you hear it and you're like "oh yeah. That's what it is. A new Radiohead album. I still like that band." __________________ noisereduxinstalled.weebly.com
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05.04.2016, 01:15 PM	#1823
louder invito al cielo Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 5,463	The new song is just nice at best for me. I've heard it 3-4 times. Meh.
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05.04.2016, 01:16 PM	#1825
louder invito al cielo Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 5,463	So Jay is really working on a response album to Lemonade: http://www.complex.com/music/2016/05...yonce-lemonade
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05.04.2016, 01:24 PM	#1826
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,976	Jay Z will title it "You want Lemonade? I give you Golden Showers' __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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05.04.2016, 01:27 PM	#1827
noisereductions invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England, USA Posts: 16,210	whether this is real drama or a fabricated marketing move, they both win. Drama like this would shift more units than if they had just made a whole album together y'know? Either way, remember when I said that Jay is best when he's got a concept to push him to write about SOMETHING? Like on Am Gangster? I mean, he wrote that shit as a character - and it still was the best thing he'd done since The Blueprint. __________________ noisereduxinstalled.weebly.com
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05.04.2016, 01:53 PM	#1828
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,976	I just don;t give a shit about anything a 50 year old multi-millionaire wishes to rap about. __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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05.04.2016, 02:24 PM	#1830
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,976	I don't give a shit what 'Face raps about anymore either.... __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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05.04.2016, 02:26 PM	#1831
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,976	he has a "net worth" of $500,000.... far far far lower than Jay Z or P Diddy or Kanyeeee __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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05.04.2016, 02:28 PM	#1832
louder invito al cielo Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 5,463	I'll judge the album when it drops.. if it's good then it's good. We'll see.
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05.04.2016, 02:48 PM	#1834
louder invito al cielo Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 5,463	Joe Budden calls VIEWS mediocre, says Drake sounds uninspired, misses the old Drake: https://www.instagram.com/p/BE_Lob1u7Nk/ Can't help but agree.
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05.04.2016, 04:02 PM	#1835
noisereductions invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England, USA Posts: 16,210	well that answers the question that was on everyones' minds... WHAT DOES JOE BUDDEN THINK OF THE NEW DRAKE ALBUM? __________________ noisereduxinstalled.weebly.com
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05.04.2016, 05:47 PM	#1838
SuchFriendsAreDangerous invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: fucking Los Angeles Posts: 14,801	I also disagree with saying radiohead all sounds the same. I hear a world of difference between King of Limbs and In Rainbows. __________________ Today Rap music is the Lakers
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05.04.2016, 05:48 PM	#1839
SuchFriendsAreDangerous invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: fucking Los Angeles Posts: 14,801	Indeed i kind of thought of King of Limbs as being an uplifting record __________________ Today Rap music is the Lakers
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