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Old 01.05.2010, 01:26 AM   #141
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Elitism is not bad, especially in the modern sense of setting yourself outside of the mass/homogenized experience.
"My kid could do that" is to art what "it's just a bunch of noise" is to "out" music. The rubes can have their experience, and they can look at me with the same disdain I have for them.
Being secure in your tastes and being careful who your friends are is not bad. Dumbing down your life in an effort to be part of an increasingly idiotic and anti-intellectual culture is far worse than behaving in a way that some slack-jawed moron would call "elitist."

But why the FUCK must I be deemed elitist by the masses just because I love Merzbow, Godard and Dada?

As I said, in this age of mass marketting, Art is more important than ever.
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Old 01.05.2010, 01:29 AM   #142
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beauty comes from effort.

Again I ask, is Night And Fog beautiful? Was a lot of effort put into it?

Is it Art?
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Old 01.05.2010, 01:33 AM   #143
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Old 01.05.2010, 01:40 AM   #144
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Old 01.05.2010, 02:59 AM   #145
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Some Art can/must! be abhorrent and sickening.


Absolutely. Well, "can".


Artwork does not need to be beautiful, in order to be skillful, concise, intricate, intense, or moving... or, art. What a crock.

But I've no real interest in discussing art vs not. It is a non argument.
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Old 01.05.2010, 03:02 AM   #146
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But why the FUCK must I be deemed elitist by the masses just because I love Merzbow, Godard and Dada?


Who deemed you elitist? Why do you see elitism as a negative concept? Why do you care what they think?
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Old 01.05.2010, 03:04 AM   #147
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Elitism is not really a bad thing like Savage said.
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Old 01.05.2010, 08:35 AM   #148
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Do you think we've hit a nerve with Skuj?

What at least some of you are saying, certainly not an uncommon thought, is that a certain artist, with at least tangential connections to da Yute, known for creating exact replicas of soup cans and brillo boxes, is not really an artist.

Conceptually, just having the work described to you, Warhol, Pollock or even Van Gogh, might sound like child's work. But seeing the work in person has an entirely different effect (at least on me).

I insist that the intent is the important part of an artistic experience.
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Old 01.05.2010, 08:45 AM   #149
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Old 01.05.2010, 09:01 AM   #150
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"beauty" is a self-determined factor.
whitehouse can be beautiful to someone.
the last 5 minutes of MOTE are some of the most beautiful sounds I have ever heard ywt they are abhorrently ugly to many people I have played those sounds for.

if a man finds beauty in contemplating the hose then that is meaningful, but it does not necesarily make the hose art. a murderer finds his mutilations of people beautiful, and would likely define them as his/her "Art" but does that one person;s definiton make it so?

should art be something the collective decides?
so many questions!
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Old 01.05.2010, 09:02 AM   #151
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Oh Man......

I buy used Art books and cut Pollock out to frame. (He'd probably kill me for that.)


UNCLEAN!!! UNCLEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 01.05.2010, 09:04 AM   #152
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More than once I've been in a museum and saw a chair or couch or an air vent grill or even a door and thought to myself, "I wonder who's piece this is."
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Old 01.05.2010, 09:29 AM   #153
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Old 01.05.2010, 09:32 AM   #154
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Old 01.05.2010, 10:59 AM   #155
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LOL, sorry about last night. I got a bit excited. I'm not really angry.

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Old 01.05.2010, 11:11 AM   #156
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Ad Reinhardt put it best, I think

"Art is art, everything else is everything else."
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By pure coincidence, the Guggenheim was showing Richard Prince when I went there. Seeing the nurse series was quite enjoyable. But he also has a series of car hoods--particularly GTOs I think. In my neighborhood, I frequently walked past one of these hoods--spiffily done up in grey primer. I always wondered if there was some connection...
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Old 01.05.2010, 12:10 PM   #158
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LOL, sorry about last night. I got a bit excited. I'm not really angry.

I didn't think you were. I think its great that somebody has such an interest.
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