louder's hip-hop café IV - Page 8

guest · 02.04.2015, 09:02 AM

how does kanye west get away with writing fucking ipod commercial trash, much less be branded a genius in so doing? swear to god if his stuff got put up on youtube by some pasty, zit-covered amateur white teen girl it would be a fucking laughing stock. hype can do incredible things when thrust upon the imbeciles of this planet.

guest · 02.04.2015, 09:03 AM

hip hop fans seem to comprehend genius on terms totally divorced from the actual objective quality of the music.

louder · 02.04.2015, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by guest

how does kanye west get away with writing fucking ipod commercial trash, much less be branded a genius in so doing? swear to god if his stuff got put up on youtube by some pasty, zit-covered amateur white teen girl it would be a fucking laughing stock. hype can do incredible things when thrust upon the imbeciles of this planet.

have no idea what you're talking about, to be honest. lol.

louder · 02.04.2015, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by guest

hip hop fans seem to comprehend genius on terms totally divorced from the actual objective quality of the music.

why are you worried about what other people like?

SuchFriendsAreDangerous · 02.04.2015, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by louder

have no idea what you're talking about, to be honest. lol.

Who is surprised? If you and severian were curious why you two have been more or less talkimg to yourselves on this thread its because y'all have been one dimensional in past few months

guest · 02.04.2015, 10:36 PM

this is the future of art......??? 21st century vanguard(s....)

I don't care about what people like so much as I care about wholly undeserving individuals being the benefactors of falsified personality cults. there are artists far more deserving of adoration than this hack whose sole redeeming works (however scant they may be) can be attributed to his producers.

noisereductions · 02.04.2015, 10:59 PM

I'm confused. Are you talking about Kanye? Cuz his best works were produced by... Kanye.

Severian · 02.04.2015, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by guest

hip hop fans seem to comprehend genius on terms totally divorced from the actual objective quality of the music.

What is this "objective quality of music" you speak of?

Art without possesses no non-subjective quality. You need a tool by which to measure quality before you can make statements about the "quality" of music. People who don't like Mozart are gonna say Mozart "sucks."

This is why art is art. If art was science, you'd probably have something to gripe about.

All you're really saying is that you don't like Kanye West. So why don't you just say that, instead of acting as though it's everyone else's problem for liking him? It's more respectful and respectable.

As brilliant as Bach was, I'm always going to prefer Aphex Twin, and Thurston Moore's extended feedback jams. Am I wrong to feel this way? Impossible to say.

Kanye shits all over Mozart and Bach too. haha

Severian · 02.04.2015, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by guest

this is the future of art......??? 21st century vanguard(s....)

I don't care about what people like so much as I care about wholly undeserving individuals being the benefactors of falsified personality cults. there are artists far more deserving of adoration than this hack whose sole redeeming works (however scant they may be) can be attributed to his producers.

What the fuck man?

You're fucking up our thread!

And you obviously know about as much about Kanye West as my cat knows about Russian literature. There are sooooo many artists who deserve their hype less than Kanye West does.

Hell, Paul McCartney's a fan.

Leave us, sir.
I SAID LEAVE US!

!@#$%! · 02.04.2015, 11:52 PM

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Kanye shits all over

i agree with that!

Severian · 02.04.2015, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Who is surprised? If you and severian were curious why you two have been more or less talkimg to yourselves on this thread its because y'all have been one dimensional in past few months

I don't think we've been talking to ourselves.
louder? Have we?

No. I know for a FACT that NR say tons of stuff too.

Severian · 02.04.2015, 11:54 PM

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i agree with that!

Where have you been, Slambang?

!@#$%! · 02.05.2015, 12:28 AM

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Where have you been, Slambang?

with nemo, in slumberland

see you tomorrow

louder · 02.05.2015, 04:45 AM

hahahaha, is this guy upset because Kanye made a brief appearance on a Rihanna single? by the way, i didn't even like that song and Kanye's feature was terrible.

louder · 02.05.2015, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions

I'm confused. Are you talking about Kanye? Cuz his best works were produced by... Kanye.

OK now i finally get it. he probably said that cuz he read the interview with Bjork where she talked about Kanye, here's what she said:

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B: I have nothing against Kanye West. Help me with this—I’m not dissing him—this is about how people talk about him. With the last album he did, he got all the best beatmakers on the planet at the time to make beats for him. A lot of the time, he wasn’t even there. Yet no one would question his authorship for a second. If whatever I’m saying to you now helps women, I’m up for saying it. For example, I did 80% of the beats on Vespertine and it took me three years to work on that album, because it was all microbeats—it was like doing a huge embroidery piece. Matmos came in the last two weeks and added percussion on top of the songs, but they didn’t do any of the main parts, and they are credited everywhere as having done the whole album. [Matmos’] Drew [Daniel] is a close friend of mine, and in every single interview he did, he corrected it. And they don’t even listen to him. It really is strange.

i'm sorry, i love Bjork but that was really ignorant..

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Noah Goldstein: Kanye figured out all those reggae voices on the album. Everything is him, to be real. Regardless of who additionally produced things, it's his curation. And this idea that he's not as hands-on in the studio now is bullshit. He is the consummate producer.

guest · 02.05.2015, 06:59 AM

apologies for any confusion, am working through some real emotional trauma with this at the minute. also 95% trolling but hey I'm fucking bemused.

expanding on my thought process, take yeezus as west's artistic zenith: while I can appreciate how brazen that record must sound from a mainstream perspective, the fact remains that musically speaking it accomplishes nothing, WHICH WOULD BE FINE were the man not revered as if he is some deity, a man who is somehow burdened by the greatest bout of creativity ever known to humankind. it's almost as if kanye west as an individual has been supplanted by the notional kanye, kanye the god, to the point where this frankly dull self-constructed characterisation has rendered his music irrefutably worthy of veneration so to speak. and while I can tolerate this TO A POINT, when you start making starbucks R&B pop with paul mccartney, whose presence on this frankly atrocious song does little but tarnish his already faded legacy I think that we as a purportedly discerning (or so it may have once seemed) listenership must re-evaluate. I mean mccartney's presence is indistinguishable to the point where were it not mccartney the instrumental would go unnoticed.

what I'm saying is that the kanye west/rihanna/mccartney track sounds like sandi fucking thom, and yet our fundamentally cynical society is so blinded by the non-existent 'west enigma' as to fail to recognise that yes, this music is OBJECTIVELY SHIT. OBJECTIVELY. IRREFUTABLY. FUCKING. SHITE. BALLS. SCROTUM.

guest · 02.05.2015, 07:00 AM

guest · 02.05.2015, 07:02 AM

louder · 02.05.2015, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by guest

what I'm saying is that the kanye west/rihanna/mccartney track sounds like sandi fucking thom, and yet our fundamentally cynical society is so blinded by the non-existent 'west enigma' as to fail to recognise that yes, this music is OBJECTIVELY SHIT. OBJECTIVELY. IRREFUTABLY. FUCKING. SHITE. BALLS. SCROTUM.

i don't think anyone here will disagree. you gotta keep in mind Kanye was only a small part of that track though, about 10 people were credited for writing alone. why i have no idea.

louder · 02.05.2015, 08:01 AM

in the eyes of the public, Kanye gets more unwarranted hate than anything, despite how amazing his last two solo albums were. most people just write him off solely for being known as an "asshole" without giving his music a chance. just go to pretty much any social media website and read the comments about him.

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guest the end of the ugly Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: melbourne Posts: 947	how does kanye west get away with writing fucking ipod commercial trash, much less be branded a genius in so doing? swear to god if his stuff got put up on youtube by some pasty, zit-covered amateur white teen girl it would be a fucking laughing stock. hype can do incredible things when thrust upon the imbeciles of this planet. __________________
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guest the end of the ugly Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: melbourne Posts: 947	hip hop fans seem to comprehend genius on terms totally divorced from the actual objective quality of the music. __________________
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02.04.2015, 10:36 PM	#146
guest the end of the ugly Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: melbourne Posts: 947	this is the future of art......??? 21st century vanguard(s....) I don't care about what people like so much as I care about wholly undeserving individuals being the benefactors of falsified personality cults. there are artists far more deserving of adoration than this hack whose sole redeeming works (however scant they may be) can be attributed to his producers. __________________
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02.04.2015, 10:59 PM	#147
noisereductions invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England, USA Posts: 16,210	I'm confused. Are you talking about Kanye? Cuz his best works were produced by... Kanye. __________________ noisereduxinstalled.weebly.com
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louder invito al cielo Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 5,463	hahahaha, is this guy upset because Kanye made a brief appearance on a Rihanna single? by the way, i didn't even like that song and Kanye's feature was terrible.
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02.05.2015, 06:59 AM	#156
guest the end of the ugly Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: melbourne Posts: 947	apologies for any confusion, am working through some real emotional trauma with this at the minute. also 95% trolling but hey I'm fucking bemused. expanding on my thought process, take yeezus as west's artistic zenith: while I can appreciate how brazen that record must sound from a mainstream perspective, the fact remains that musically speaking it accomplishes nothing, WHICH WOULD BE FINE were the man not revered as if he is some deity, a man who is somehow burdened by the greatest bout of creativity ever known to humankind. it's almost as if kanye west as an individual has been supplanted by the notional kanye, kanye the god, to the point where this frankly dull self-constructed characterisation has rendered his music irrefutably worthy of veneration so to speak. and while I can tolerate this TO A POINT, when you start making starbucks R&B pop with paul mccartney, whose presence on this frankly atrocious song does little but tarnish his already faded legacy I think that we as a purportedly discerning (or so it may have once seemed) listenership must re-evaluate. I mean mccartney's presence is indistinguishable to the point where were it not mccartney the instrumental would go unnoticed. what I'm saying is that the kanye west/rihanna/mccartney track sounds like sandi fucking thom, and yet our fundamentally cynical society is so blinded by the non-existent 'west enigma' as to fail to recognise that yes, this music is OBJECTIVELY SHIT. OBJECTIVELY. IRREFUTABLY. FUCKING. SHITE. BALLS. SCROTUM. __________________
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02.05.2015, 08:01 AM	#160
louder invito al cielo Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 5,463	in the eyes of the public, Kanye gets more unwarranted hate than anything, despite how amazing his last two solo albums were. most people just write him off solely for being known as an "asshole" without giving his music a chance. just go to pretty much any social media website and read the comments about him.
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