[hevusa]

Originally Posted by knox

isn't agnosticism like: I don't know so I won't be annoying people with ultimate truths? If not, let me know, gotta find another ism.

It means being intellectually honest about what cannot be known, like ghosts, god, the loch ness monster, etc. Until some objective evidence is presented to the contrary.

In essence it is spiritual honesty.

[knox]

Well, if you're honest you'll say you don't know.

[hevusa]

Originally Posted by knox

Well, if you're honest you'll say you don't know.

I do. What I KNOW in regards to ghosts is there as never been an ounce of objective evidence to prove they exist and are real. Until such evidence is presented they remain on the unicorn/dragon/god list.

[tesla69]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

I was there with my aunt and my aunt's friend's daughter. Me and this girl were playing hide and seek. Suddenly, she started screaming. She had looked into the mirror and saw someone staring at her.SNIP.

When I was in high school I was babysitting in a 200 year old house, and things would happen - noises upstairs (which wasn't used), lights would turn on or off, the dog would get weird - a couple years later while driving by someone told me the house was haunted.

Anyone ever read any recent Tim Powers? HE seems to have it figured out...

[hevusa]

Knox. If Tesla backing you up doesn't scare you nothing will. hahaha

[knox]

Originally Posted by hevusa

I do. What I KNOW in regards to ghosts is there as never been an ounce of objective evidence to prove they exist and are real. Until such evidence is presented they remain on the unicorn/dragon/god list.

well, that is your problem isn't it.
that's not agnosticism tho.
btw, few things scare me, tesla certainly isn't one of them.

[hevusa]

Originally Posted by knox

well, that is your problem isn't it.
that's not agnosticism tho.

Actually, yes, it is every humans problem when dumb people don't understand the world around them (like you).

"Agnosticism is the view that the truth value of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—is unknown or unknowable."

[knox]

I thought you quoted that already? Why are you so annoying and judgemental and ready to throw insults around? I can't help but hear this teenage boy angry voice when I read your posts. You're like a bible basher with no bible and less eloquence. You need to grow up.

UUUH DUMB, UUUH YOU DONT AGREE WITH ME FUCK OFF, UUUH MY FRIEND DOESN'T DO BROS BEFORE HOES, UUUH ESTROGEN MAKES YOU STUPID.

I mean, you might think it's ok to go around insulting women - but doesn't that explain a lot?

Goodbye.

[hevusa]

Originally Posted by knox

Why are you so annoying and judgemental and ready to throw insults around?

I mean, you might think it's ok to go around insulting women - but doesn't that explain a lot?

Goodbye.

Because you are fucking stupid enough to claim to be the first person in the world to have objective information about ghosts. Mind blowing and fun to laugh at the same time! Thanks knox!
I didn't know you were a girl, so that is not why I am insulting you though. It is because you are stupid enough to think you have that objective evidence. Hahahahahaha

No, don't go. You are too fucking funny! Next you can provide your objective evidence for the existence of God and Nessie!

[Pax Americana]

Originally Posted by GeneticKiss

It must be boring to go through life without an imagination, believing in nothing beyond that which can be proven.

Huh!?

So... if I don't believe in ghosts, leprechauns, bigfoot, God, etc., then I have no imagination? Do beliefs and imagination really have ANYTHING to do with one another? Cause I think I can imagine quite a few things that I don't believe in. For instance, I can imagine giant, man-eating, lobsters taking over the planet... that doesn't mean I think it's gonna happen though.

[hevusa]

Originally Posted by Pax Americana

Do beliefs and imagination really have ANYTHING to do with one another?

The "believers" probably don't understand that God/Religion have nothing to do with morality either. Morality can actually be completely independent from religion.

[Pax Americana]

Originally Posted by knox

"But what if ghosts are something else? Could it be possible that what we see or experience as a ghost represents a break in the continuum of time? In other words, if we view time as not a linear construct, but rather a wave, or even a loop, could we be looking backwards (or perhaps even forwards) in time when we observe a ghost, or similar phenomena?"

Here we go! This is kinda what I meant, when I asked previously for you to define what you meant by 'ghosts'. It seemed like we were maybe talking about two different things?

I guess for me (and a lot of people, I think) when I hear the term 'ghost', the first thing I think of is the notion of a 'spirit' or 'soul' of a deceased person that still somehow inhabits the earth. I mean, I think the very first post in this thread kinda defined it in a very similar way, right? I guess maybe you've got a totally different notion of what the term 'ghost' conotes? I mean, here you're talking about some kind of "break in the continuum of time". That's something I've never ever heard posited as a theory to explain any paranormal phenomenon.

So... maybe this whole argument is moot? Maybe we've been talking about two different things entirely?
Ha!

[Pax Americana]

Originally Posted by hevusa

Morality can actually be completely independent from religion.

Absolutely. I've had this argument with religious friends and relatives about 1,000 times.

[knox]

Originally Posted by Pax Americana

Here we go! This is kinda what I meant, when I asked previously for you to define what you meant by 'ghosts'. It seemed like we were maybe talking about two different things?

I guess for me (and a lot of people, I think) when I hear the term 'ghost', the first thing I think of is the notion of a 'spirit' or 'soul' of a deceased person that still somehow inhabits the earth. I mean, I think the very first post in this thread kinda defined it in a very similar way, right? I guess maybe you've got a totally different notion of what the term 'ghost' conotes? I mean, here you're talking about some kind of "break in the continuum of time". That's something I've never ever heard posited as a theory to explain any paranormal phenomenon.

So... maybe this whole argument is moot? Maybe we've been talking about two different things entirely?
Ha!

That was what I've been trying to find out.

[knox]

Originally Posted by hevusa

Because you are fucking stupid enough to claim to be the first person in the world to have objective information about ghosts. Mind blowing and fun to laugh at the same time! Thanks knox!
I didn't know you were a girl, so that is not why I am insulting you though. It is because you are stupid enough to think you have that objective evidence. Hahahahahaha

No, don't go. You are too fucking funny! Next you can provide your objective evidence for the existence of God and Nessie!

You're stupid enough to think I said that? I never said that. I hate people who make things up.

You didn't know I'm female? That's bullshit.

[hevusa]

Originally Posted by Pax Americana

Here we go! This is kinda what I meant, when I asked previously for you to define what you meant by 'ghosts'. It seemed like we were maybe talking about two different things?

No, Knox just changed her definition of "ghost" when she realized there were huge holes with her "objective evidence" she thought she had. hahahahahahaha

[knox]

I never changed anything because I never said much about what I think in the first place. Stop acting like an idiot and trying to pick a fight.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by hevusa

The "believers" probably don't understand that God/Religion have nothing to do with morality either. Morality can actually be completely independent from religion.

morality derives from evolution-- it's a survival mechanism to maintain group cohesion ("safety in numbers").

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by hevusa

No, Knox just changed her definition of "ghost" when she realized there were huge holes with her "objective evidence" she thought she had. hahahahahahaha

if you keep trying to get her to admit error it gets really funny and deranged... and funny

[hevusa]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to !@#$%! again.