Effects - Page 7

The Usher · 12.08.2006, 01:41 PM

Is there any difference between the Electro-Harmonix Big Muff Pi USA Reissue, and the Electro-Harmonix Big Muff USA Reissue? What the fuck's "Pi"?

king_buzzo · 12.08.2006, 01:43 PM

its the same. pi is the sign on it, you know the thing that they use for math???

are you going for the sovtek one or usa?

The Usher · 12.08.2006, 01:45 PM

Oh, stupid me...just kept seeing reviews for both, as if there were two versions...

Hmmm, dunno which one yet, guess i'll check them both out. From what I've read the US one sounds most likely.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead · 12.08.2006, 01:50 PM

The Frequency Analyzer kicks ass. Not as much functionality on it as a moog, but I get a lot of use out of it. Listen for it at the end of this song:

http://download.yousendit.com/F6E5CA44561234EF

It has a lot more uses than that, but since it (and the moog) are both sine wave ring mods, they have a much cleaner sound than other ring mods, and you can get chimey, metallic, and bell like stuff. You can make them sound more vintage if you put a fuzz before them.

Oh, and whoever was asking about crybabies- don't get one, they suck tone like mad. I've never noticed any pedal I've ever owned sucking tone, but a crybaby definitely does.

Also, whoever was talking about true bypass- you don't want everything true bypass, because you can still have a signal loss from all that wiring. You want atleast one buffer in your signal chain too.

The Usher · 12.08.2006, 01:57 PM

Cool song, the Analyzer sounds great!

king_buzzo · 12.08.2006, 02:06 PM

i got the electro harmonix dvd and the freq analyzer sounds great. cant be bothered to download this one

CHOUT · 12.08.2006, 03:04 PM

I have the Moog and EH ring modulators, and there are cool things about both of them. The EH one sounds warmer to me honestly. The moog has a definite higher fidelity to it but the EH sounds rounder to me. I think they are excellent for both their respective prices.

The French Toast is really a great pedal for the price. I wouldn't say it sounds like a ring modulator, well i guess you can get atonal klangy sounds out of it, so it could be a cheap imitation. I was on another board talking about how it beats the recent Fender Blender I got at a fraction of the price.

heavium · 12.08.2006, 03:08 PM

thanks for the sample, sounds very bell like in the outro indeed.

the usher, don't take it that seriously about me saying you should sell the ds2, it's just my opinion, if you're pleased with its sound then stick with it y'know.

CHOUT · 12.08.2006, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by king_buzzo

i got the electro harmonix dvd and the freq analyzer sounds great. cant be bothered to download this one

no need, they are all at the bottom of this page. the dvd comes with all the bigger pedals now.
http://ehx.com/ehx2/Default.asp?q=f&f=%2FCatalog%2F01%5FNew%5FProducts %2F01%5FEH%5FDVD

RanaldoNecro · 12.08.2006, 04:45 PM

Anyone have any familiarty with this one? It seems Thurston uses the Turbo version...

Lets talk Rat people...opinions, thoughts etc.

RN

CHOUT · 12.08.2006, 08:24 PM

I have a Turbo Rat, but the Deluxe Big Muff I just got seriously blew it away (see avatar) - so much more alive sounding. Turbo Rats are said to have 'more gain and less sustain' than regular Rats. I find it great for rhythm guitars, having a more transparent sound (better note definition, less of a 'wall of sound'). But now that I can blend a clean tone with the fuzz on the Muff, that's the sound I have been wanting.

davenotdead · 12.08.2006, 11:58 PM

buzzo- i must disagree...i really tried to like the vox more but i couldn't...the crybaby's tone is so choice.

and for any effects noobs asking - i say buy delay, tremolo, and reverb, as these will change your life...and if you must buy distortion, then go with a muff or rat, as many on here have suggested...and in general, especially considering resale value and quality, Boss/Roland is top-notch stuff (without going super high end)...

k-krack · 12.09.2006, 12:00 AM

Just so everyone knows, I hate my FAB overdrive pedal. It blows, and it's far too quiet. I guess it's good for the price, but still...

SpectralJulianIsNotDead · 12.09.2006, 12:12 AM

My friend has a fab distortion, and he can get some really killer tones out of it. He uses it on a low gain setting with his strat going into a vibralux. He gets some really nice chimey sounds out of it.

k-krack · 12.09.2006, 12:16 AM

Distortion or overdrive? I've not played the distortion.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead · 12.09.2006, 01:38 AM

The distortion, only fab pedal I've heard/tried.

king_buzzo · 12.09.2006, 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHOUT

no need, they are all at the bottom of this page. the dvd comes with all the bigger pedals now.
http://ehx.com/ehx2/Default.asp?q=f&f=%2FCatalog%2F01%5FNew%5FProducts %2F01%5FEH%5FDVD

dude, i have all of those videos, got them with the big muff.

scott v · 12.09.2006, 12:23 PM

RATS... never tried the turbo rat, i do have just the rat and it does the job for me... as i wanted a distortion box that would fit somewhere between the clean tone on my fender twin and the jump blast to my bigmuff, the rat has enough spikey bite to cut through without taking it the next level with ultra noisey feedback and sustain, for that kinda stuff i use the bigmuff... but when i run the rat in conjunction with the muff its totally intense chaotic insanity, so much sustain it rules.

i pretty easily modded my russian muff reissue, clipped off one of the capicators (if you open the unit up and look at the circuitboard, it be the green capacitor that runs vertically below the LED, before clipping it run a piece of wire between the two wire points, plug in the unit and listen to the difference) so i replaced it with just a piece of wire it noticabley increased the gain and bass response in a beneficial way to me to where it sounds like a souped-up original, again its quite easy to do because you don't have to remove the jacks which are cheap and too easily breakable on these muffs... i did the mod again though it was slightly more challenging on another bigmuff (they are relatively cheap) such that i added a switch to go from the orginal sound to the new higher gain/bass sound. though the 2 are slightly different sounding, its not uncommon for any pedal of the same type to be slightly different. years ago i tried the USA reissue and thought it was too uncontrollable and horrible sounding... very muddy fuzz and very small control on the gain, but that was years ago before i know what i know now. though i have no need to go back to that. tried a little bigmuff since i liked how compact it looked and also thinking it would give a sound inbetween the russian and the USA reissues... but i was wrong, and was not pleased with it sounded too muddy at all settings.

king_buzzo · 12.09.2006, 01:07 PM

nice. i might get a rat if i have some spare money some day.

CHOUT · 12.10.2006, 01:59 AM

Get a job. You live at home right? Think of all the gear you could buy.

12.08.2006, 01:41 PM	#121
The Usher stalker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hell Posts: 454	Is there any difference between the Electro-Harmonix Big Muff Pi USA Reissue, and the Electro-Harmonix Big Muff USA Reissue? What the fuck's "Pi"? __________________
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12.08.2006, 01:43 PM	#122
king_buzzo invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,110	its the same. pi is the sign on it, you know the thing that they use for math??? are you going for the sovtek one or usa?
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12.08.2006, 01:45 PM	#123
The Usher stalker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hell Posts: 454	Oh, stupid me...just kept seeing reviews for both, as if there were two versions... Hmmm, dunno which one yet, guess i'll check them both out. From what I've read the US one sounds most likely. __________________
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12.08.2006, 01:50 PM	#124
SpectralJulianIsNotDead invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,409	The Frequency Analyzer kicks ass. Not as much functionality on it as a moog, but I get a lot of use out of it. Listen for it at the end of this song: http://download.yousendit.com/F6E5CA44561234EF It has a lot more uses than that, but since it (and the moog) are both sine wave ring mods, they have a much cleaner sound than other ring mods, and you can get chimey, metallic, and bell like stuff. You can make them sound more vintage if you put a fuzz before them. Oh, and whoever was asking about crybabies- don't get one, they suck tone like mad. I've never noticed any pedal I've ever owned sucking tone, but a crybaby definitely does. Also, whoever was talking about true bypass- you don't want everything true bypass, because you can still have a signal loss from all that wiring. You want atleast one buffer in your signal chain too.
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12.08.2006, 01:57 PM	#125
The Usher stalker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hell Posts: 454	Cool song, the Analyzer sounds great! __________________
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12.08.2006, 02:06 PM	#126
king_buzzo invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,110	i got the electro harmonix dvd and the freq analyzer sounds great. cant be bothered to download this one
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12.08.2006, 03:04 PM	#127
CHOUT invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Minneapolis MN Posts: 3,128	I have the Moog and EH ring modulators, and there are cool things about both of them. The EH one sounds warmer to me honestly. The moog has a definite higher fidelity to it but the EH sounds rounder to me. I think they are excellent for both their respective prices. The French Toast is really a great pedal for the price. I wouldn't say it sounds like a ring modulator, well i guess you can get atonal klangy sounds out of it, so it could be a cheap imitation. I was on another board talking about how it beats the recent Fender Blender I got at a fraction of the price. __________________ Chout's rare Sonic Youth vids: http://youtube.com/SONICchout
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12.08.2006, 03:08 PM	#128
heavium bad moon rising Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: belgium Posts: 148	thanks for the sample, sounds very bell like in the outro indeed. the usher, don't take it that seriously about me saying you should sell the ds2, it's just my opinion, if you're pleased with its sound then stick with it y'know. __________________ http://www.myspace.com/lemonpiefrog
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12.08.2006, 04:45 PM	#130
RanaldoNecro expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Eye Of The Squirrel Posts: 1,481	Anyone have any familiarty with this one? It seems Thurston uses the Turbo version... Lets talk Rat people...opinions, thoughts etc. RN
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12.08.2006, 08:24 PM	#131
CHOUT invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Minneapolis MN Posts: 3,128	I have a Turbo Rat, but the Deluxe Big Muff I just got seriously blew it away (see avatar) - so much more alive sounding. Turbo Rats are said to have 'more gain and less sustain' than regular Rats. I find it great for rhythm guitars, having a more transparent sound (better note definition, less of a 'wall of sound'). But now that I can blend a clean tone with the fuzz on the Muff, that's the sound I have been wanting. __________________ Chout's rare Sonic Youth vids: http://youtube.com/SONICchout
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12.08.2006, 11:58 PM	#132
davenotdead invito al cielo Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 7,784	buzzo- i must disagree...i really tried to like the vox more but i couldn't...the crybaby's tone is so choice. and for any effects noobs asking - i say buy delay, tremolo, and reverb, as these will change your life...and if you must buy distortion, then go with a muff or rat, as many on here have suggested...and in general, especially considering resale value and quality, Boss/Roland is top-notch stuff (without going super high end)...
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12.09.2006, 12:00 AM	#133
k-krack invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Location: On Posts: 7,380	Just so everyone knows, I hate my FAB overdrive pedal. It blows, and it's far too quiet. I guess it's good for the price, but still... __________________ sandwich klub 4 men. Danny is a C.H.U.D.
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12.09.2006, 12:12 AM	#134
SpectralJulianIsNotDead invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,409	My friend has a fab distortion, and he can get some really killer tones out of it. He uses it on a low gain setting with his strat going into a vibralux. He gets some really nice chimey sounds out of it.
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12.09.2006, 12:16 AM	#135
k-krack invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Location: On Posts: 7,380	Distortion or overdrive? I've not played the distortion. __________________ sandwich klub 4 men. Danny is a C.H.U.D.
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12.09.2006, 01:38 AM	#136
SpectralJulianIsNotDead invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,409	The distortion, only fab pedal I've heard/tried.
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12.09.2006, 12:23 PM	#138
scott v expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,484	RATS... never tried the turbo rat, i do have just the rat and it does the job for me... as i wanted a distortion box that would fit somewhere between the clean tone on my fender twin and the jump blast to my bigmuff, the rat has enough spikey bite to cut through without taking it the next level with ultra noisey feedback and sustain, for that kinda stuff i use the bigmuff... but when i run the rat in conjunction with the muff its totally intense chaotic insanity, so much sustain it rules. i pretty easily modded my russian muff reissue, clipped off one of the capicators (if you open the unit up and look at the circuitboard, it be the green capacitor that runs vertically below the LED, before clipping it run a piece of wire between the two wire points, plug in the unit and listen to the difference) so i replaced it with just a piece of wire it noticabley increased the gain and bass response in a beneficial way to me to where it sounds like a souped-up original, again its quite easy to do because you don't have to remove the jacks which are cheap and too easily breakable on these muffs... i did the mod again though it was slightly more challenging on another bigmuff (they are relatively cheap) such that i added a switch to go from the orginal sound to the new higher gain/bass sound. though the 2 are slightly different sounding, its not uncommon for any pedal of the same type to be slightly different. years ago i tried the USA reissue and thought it was too uncontrollable and horrible sounding... very muddy fuzz and very small control on the gain, but that was years ago before i know what i know now. though i have no need to go back to that. tried a little bigmuff since i liked how compact it looked and also thinking it would give a sound inbetween the russian and the USA reissues... but i was wrong, and was not pleased with it sounded too muddy at all settings.
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12.09.2006, 01:07 PM	#139
king_buzzo invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,110	nice. i might get a rat if i have some spare money some day.
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12.10.2006, 01:59 AM	#140
CHOUT invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Minneapolis MN Posts: 3,128	Get a job. You live at home right? Think of all the gear you could buy. __________________ Chout's rare Sonic Youth vids: http://youtube.com/SONICchout
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