[louder]

just cuz you don't like some rapper or their music is popular doesn't mean they aren't rap (or hip-hop.. basically the same thing, hate to burst your bubble). rap/hip-hop isn't some holier-than-thou term, you can be a shitty rapper but at the end of the day you'll still remain a rapper!

[louder]

Originally Posted by rebeccagotcursedout

Pop doesn't necessarily mean 'bad'. if it appeals to lot of people and there's something for everyone then it's pop. wasn't putting anything down.

also, I liked that performance you posted of him on Fallon.

nah, don't get me wrong.. Drake can be labeled as a pop artist. but first and foremost he's hip-hop.

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by louder

how does it feel to be a 40-something year old constantly trolling a forum and crying for attention.

I'm 41

[louder]

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

I'm 41

do you even realize how immature you are.

[rebeccagotcursedout]

Originally Posted by louder

just cuz you don't like some rapper or their music is popular doesn't mean they aren't rap (or hip-hop.. basically the same thing, hate to burst your bubble). rap/hip-hop isn't some holier-than-thou term, you can be a shitty rapper but at the end of the day you'll still remain a rapper!

but Hip Hop is pop music today. nothing wrong with that.

[louder]

see i can understand a lot of criticism for Drake (i even have some myself), but saying he isn't a rapper is just taking it too far, lol.

[louder]

Originally Posted by rebeccagotcursedout

but Hip Hop is pop music today. nothing wrong with that.

and a lot of today's pop music is influenced by hip-hop.

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by louder

do you even realize how immature you are.

I do when I look at Drake's hard on for me on his own videos, yes.

[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by louder

except Drake is miles better than Em. have you even tried any of his albums? i doubt it..

I've only listened to a random selection on youtube, probably 10 songs, equivalent length to a short rap album. And that's enough, 10 songs is more than sufficient to figure out if you like something. I don't think listening to an actual album will change much.
Anywayz, I'm not a huge Eminem fan, I find his 'serious' raps really boring, but when he's having fun he's great, e.g.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Lg0EDz8QE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_FreftDj5Y

[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by louder

Public Enemy used to get radio play, right? i guess they were pop too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djuc0kg97yo

41 seconds in.

You need to learn your history.

[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by louder

no offense but old white people's opinion on hip-hop just sucks (especially rock heads), i find the last few posts cringeworthy and simply painful to read. y'all are some cornballs who are stuck in the past, out of the loop and just don't get it.

hip-hop hasn't gotten worse at all. in fact it's better now thanks to technology, the production sounds smoother and far more advanced, a lot of rappers produce their own beats now which results in unique sounds, as opposed to most rappers in the 80s-90s they aren't afraid to show feelings and implement a lot more emotion in their songs, the subject matters are a lot more varied and diverse, there are just so many different styles now, there's basically something for everybody.

Jeez, don't be a fucking racist.

Since when was hiphop ever meant to be smooth? Since when did people not show feelings in the 80s and 90s? How old are you anyway? Since when is producing yr own beats and rapping a good thing, personally I think it is just a reflection of the increasing solipsism of contemporary rap, it's like saying a band's records would be better if the singer made the music by themself.

[rebeccagotcursedout]

Originally Posted by louder

and a lot of today's pop music is influenced by hip-hop.

same thing happened in the 90's. rap rock, trip hop, electronica, r and b stars with guest rappers. the only new 'pop' influence of hip hop I hear today is on bro country.

I agree, Kayne turned hip hop upside down in way, but you have to understand hip hop was pop in the late 90's and early 2000's too. I wasn't quite old then and not much has changed besides the distribution, new production styles/flows and the emotional impact.

I say, better hip hop to be 'pop' even more now than rap-rock, pop punk, or post grunge. it's always been mainstream where im from. so be it. Drake is not that bad and he shows appeal even to me. I understand why people like him.

yeah, im kinda a (rock head). I can't help it. I like bass, guitar, and drums where three or four people are rocking in a room. it's magical, but I love lots of hip hop too. even some new shit you and Sev post.

as you say, like what you like. yr getting defensive and taking it the wrong way. our posts are not a whole trying to attack you. different opinions.

[rebeccagotcursedout]

my problem with mainstream pop hip hop is that it's relating more and more with white trash rednecks. what else are they going to listen to? date rape rap rock is over and heavy metal is elite and splintered. that can't be good.

it's inspiring to them. it's a paradox and why it must appeal to everyone because it's pop.

those same artist you love are the same artist racist white folks are listening too. I know this for a fact, because im American. it's been happening for years and years now. it's calmed down now because of bro country, which is heavily inspired by hip hop. but it's all the same.

[Severian]

What did I miss? Why the gang up on louder? He speaks the truth. I used to think hip hop stopped evolving somewhere around 1997, with Wu-Tang forever.. That production tech would never surpass what Dan the Automator and Dj Shadow did in the mid-'90s, and that Public Enemy was Bob Dylan, Tribe and Wu were the Beatles, and Biggie was Elvis or something.

But rap (hip-hop, that is) has grown so much that it, along with electronic music as a whole, has become the canvas for popular music evolution. The most interesting sounds come from these genres, and hip-hop has become as musical as it is lyrical, which is something nobody ever expected back in the early '90s.

Maybe I should read more of the argument before I sweep in... But whatever, he seems to be on point as usual to me.

[rebeccagotcursedout]

Originally Posted by Severian

What did I miss? Why the gang up on louder? He speaks the truth. I used to think hip hop stopped evolving somewhere around 1997, with Wu-Tang forever.. That production tech would never surpass what Dan the Automator and Dj Shadow did in the mid-'90s, and that Public Enemy was Bob Dylan, Tribe and Wu were the Beatles, and Biggie was Elvis or something.

But rap (hip-hop, that is) has grown so much that it, along with electronic music as a whole, has become the canvas for popular music evolution. The most interesting sounds come from these genres, and hip-hop has become as musical as it is lyrical, which is something nobody ever expected back in the early '90s.

Maybe I should read more of the argument before I sweep in... But whatever, he seems to be on point as usual to me.

yes, maybe you should read more of the argument before a comment. what you posted was predicted in the 90's. and it's only getting worse for hip hop, just like pop punk was the death nail.

you guys need another genre. in my opinion if your encouraged to comment so strongly.

don't give me that old "hip hop is the new canvas" because that's old and I've already stated why.

if you live in a liberal part of the country then there's more than a chance you can't compete with me and my opinions. I see it first hand. you maybe see a daydream fantasy.

[louder]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

Jeez, don't be a fucking racist.

Since when was hiphop ever meant to be smooth? Since when did people not show feelings in the 80s and 90s? How old are you anyway? Since when is producing yr own beats and rapping a good thing, personally I think it is just a reflection of the increasing solipsism of contemporary rap, it's like saying a band's records would be better if the singer made the music by themself.

that was a response to Rob calling Drake "Degrassi rap" and appealing to white/middle class kids. i hated to do it, but he was obviously speaking out of his ass.

music isn't "meant to be" one way or another, it just sounds better. you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, the comparsion with rock bands is silly, rappers producing their own music gives them room to express themselves in ways they couldn't have with words, and they make beats that match their flow resulting in unique sounds.

[louder]

Originally Posted by Severian

What did I miss? Why the gang up on louder? He speaks the truth. I used to think hip hop stopped evolving somewhere around 1997, with Wu-Tang forever.. That production tech would never surpass what Dan the Automator and Dj Shadow did in the mid-'90s, and that Public Enemy was Bob Dylan, Tribe and Wu were the Beatles, and Biggie was Elvis or something.

But rap (hip-hop, that is) has grown so much that it, along with electronic music as a whole, has become the canvas for popular music evolution. The most interesting sounds come from these genres, and hip-hop has become as musical as it is lyrical, which is something nobody ever expected back in the early '90s.

Maybe I should read more of the argument before I sweep in... But whatever, he seems to be on point as usual to me.

THANK YOU. i was going to make this exact post.

[louder]

"rapper
[rap-er]

noun
4.
a person who performs rap music, especially professionally."

[louder]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

This is my general gripe with rappers these days, they say something in a loose slack jawed or gruff way (probably about their possessions, be that cars/money/women/drugs/clothes*)

rap used to be mostly protest music back then, talking about how poor and broke you are. and now it's evolved to the point where it's mostly about representing triumph as a result of overcoming adversity and struggle. and that's beautiful if you ask me.

[louder]

Originally Posted by rebeccagotcursedout

yeah, im kinda a (rock head). I can't help it. I like bass, guitar, and drums where three or four people are rocking in a room. it's magical, but I love lots of hip hop too. even some new shit you and Sev post.

as you say, like what you like. yr getting defensive and taking it the wrong way. our posts are not a whole trying to attack you. different opinions.

honestly i'll keep listening to my favorite music no matter what other people think, but i'm just trying to help them see the light.