Proposition 19 - California will make recreational pot use legal November 2nd - Page 6

hevusa · 09.20.2010, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by space

ask someone on the clipping and pruning "circuit" what they think of this bill.

Wow, a whole 0.1% of Californian citizens. Let's not.

hevusa · 09.20.2010, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GeneticKiss

I don't imagine this will go through anytime soon

Why not? It is about a 50/50 shot right now. There is a strong chance it will pass.

space · 09.20.2010, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by hevusa

0.1% of Californian citizens.

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Originally Posted by hevusa

a 50/50 shot

don't get me wrong, I'd love to see this pass, but unfortunately, I fear that most proponents of this bill, such as yrself, rely too heavily on arbitrary (and entirely fantastical) numbers and percentages.

I believe the term most apt is "stoner logic".

SONIC GAIL · 09.20.2010, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by akprodr

Public baked-ness? Happens all the time in my neighborhood. Uh, at least when I'm around.

I do have a great penchant for smokin' and bike ridin'. Been doing these fantastic rail trails in western NJ. Nearly flat so you can go pretty darn fast. Really amazing scenery.

I don't leave the house unless I get stoned first.

!@#$%! · 09.20.2010, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SONIC GAIL

I don't leave the house unless I get stoned first.

you're lucky you're not in iran

SONIC GAIL · 09.20.2010, 12:47 PM

Thank god I'm not in iran.

!@#$%! · 09.20.2010, 12:48 PM

yeah. don't google "iran stoning". ayayay...

hevusa · 09.20.2010, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by space

don't get me wrong, I'd love to see this pass, but unfortunately, I fear that most proponents of this bill, such as yrself, rely too heavily on arbitrary (and entirely fantastical) numbers and percentages.

I believe the term most apt is "stoner logic".

The stats from recent polls show it at about 50/50. That is the best we have to go on right now (not counting the recent almost 50/50 vote on homosexual marriage).
http://elections.firedoglake.com/201...-holds-steady/

chicka · 09.20.2010, 02:59 PM

I for one believe it's going to pass. It's time has come. People have been fighting for at least 40 years to make it legal. As a parent of children in their 20's I'd rather see them smoking weed than drinking. So I am 57 so you have a voting block of 18 - 60 roughly where I believe the majority are for it.
Folks are sick of seeing their kids get arrested for it. When is the last time you've seen anybody in the paper busted for multiple pounds? Doesn't happen. Folks in this age group know who's making the money off it so why not take it away from them. Lot of folks in that group would love to keep their taxes down by having the tax base increased with the money made off of taxing grass. It's going to pass.

tesla69 · 09.21.2010, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

every Rasta I ever knew rolled their shit with tobacco.

every rasta I ever knew rolled their weed with cocaine.

never knew that many

tesla69 · 09.21.2010, 02:03 PM

2009 Marijuana caused deaths: 0
2009 automobile caused deaths: 33,808

The govt subsidized the auto industry. Blame it on Obama.

!@#$%! · 09.21.2010, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tesla69

2009 Marijuana caused deaths: 0
2009 automobile caused deaths: 33,808

i'm sure a good chunk of those 33,808 car crashes involved stoned drivers

your numbers are wrong

chicka · 09.21.2010, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

i'm sure a good chunk of those 33,808 car crashes involved stoned drivers

your numbers are wrong

Only if they're drinking with the weed or they are doing heavier drugs like
Opiates, Downers or Trancs....Straight weed accidents that are fatal wouldn't even amount to 500 I bet.

hevusa · 09.22.2010, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by chicka

Straight weed accidents that are fatal wouldn't even amount to 500 I bet.

I drive just fine stoned. And I'm on a motorcycle.

Rob Instigator · 09.22.2010, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

i'm sure a good chunk of those 33,808 car crashes involved stoned drivers

your numbers are wrong

no way man. Most drunks do not smoke weed unless it is at parties!

SONIC GAIL · 09.23.2010, 08:10 AM

I drive better when stoned. I start to hallucinate when I am completely sober. I hear shit too.

akprodr · 09.23.2010, 08:19 AM

At my old job, I won Employee of the Month twice. I was smoking on the job during those projects.

hevusa · 09.30.2010, 05:44 PM

http://blog.norml.org/2010/09/30/pro...fornia-voters/

More than half of Californians now say that they will vote ‘yes’ this November on Proposition 19, which would legalize the private adult use and cultivation of limited amounts of cannabis, and allow local governments the option of regulating its commercial production and retail distribution.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous · 10.01.2010, 06:58 PM

like all the legalization balot measures of the past few years such as in Nevada or Alaska, prop 19 is absurdly written and will not and should not pass. It is not specific enough to be taken seriously by any legislature or government, and will not pass. BUT at the least it has accelerated the mainstream debate about cannabis, and socially upwards of half of californians including several prominent politicians and academics and newspaper editors and political commentators have all been rather receptive and positive to this debate. if we can't have legalization, at the least we can end the social stigmatization that is much worse than the existing laws in california..
and the proof? While Gov Arnold mashed down Prop 19, he did just sign an hour ago a new law which further decriminalizes possession of under an ounce from a technical misdemeonor to a full infraction like a parking ticket.. it has functioned as one for years, but you had to have a M criminal record for two years as a punishment which fucked up employment. Now you don't even have to report your cannabis arrests because they are like parking tickets and NEVER go on your record, statewide.

The true victories for cannabis users and consumers is in the productive decriminalization movement..

People are far more receptive to such..

Schwarzenegger signs marijuana decriminalization bill

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By Peter Hecht | Sacramento Bee

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has signed legislation that will reduce the crime of possession of an ounce of marijuana from a misdemeanor to an infraction, handing a victory to marijuana advocates one month before November's state vote to legalize pot for recreational use.
The governor's signature of Senate Bill 1449 by Sen. Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, will not reduce actual penalties for possession of small amounts of marijuana. Under California law, misdemeanor possession of less than an ounce was already punishable as infraction - with offenders facing fines of $100.
Marijuana advocates say the governor's decision to sign the bill will significantly reduce the number of cases clogging California courts by removing the misdemeanor tag.
The law will take effect Jan. 1, meaning it may be superseded - at least for Californians over 21 - by the November legalization measure.
Schwarzenegger said he signed Leno's bill because "possession of less than an ounce of marijuana is infraction in everything but name."

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/10/0...#ixzz119ezpXhR

EVOLghost · 10.01.2010, 07:02 PM

I can only drive stoned.....ok that's a lie. but I do feel better....but I"m also a pro at driving. Drove to New York from Chicago stoned!

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SONIC GAIL invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: I moved from hillbilly Florida to hillbilly Alabama Posts: 3,723	Thank god I'm not in iran. __________________
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!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,564	yeah. don't google "iran stoning". ayayay...
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09.20.2010, 02:59 PM	#109
chicka expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: wormtown MA Posts: 1,549	I for one believe it's going to pass. It's time has come. People have been fighting for at least 40 years to make it legal. As a parent of children in their 20's I'd rather see them smoking weed than drinking. So I am 57 so you have a voting block of 18 - 60 roughly where I believe the majority are for it. Folks are sick of seeing their kids get arrested for it. When is the last time you've seen anybody in the paper busted for multiple pounds? Doesn't happen. Folks in this age group know who's making the money off it so why not take it away from them. Lot of folks in that group would love to keep their taxes down by having the tax base increased with the money made off of taxing grass. It's going to pass. __________________ some men just want to watch the world burn
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09.21.2010, 02:03 PM	#111
tesla69 Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 4,055	2009 Marijuana caused deaths: 0 2009 automobile caused deaths: 33,808 The govt subsidized the auto industry. Blame it on Obama.
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09.23.2010, 08:10 AM	#116
SONIC GAIL invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: I moved from hillbilly Florida to hillbilly Alabama Posts: 3,723	I drive better when stoned. I start to hallucinate when I am completely sober. I hear shit too. __________________
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09.23.2010, 08:19 AM	#117
akprodr the end of the ugly Join Date: May 2006 Location: Mt Clair Posts: 1,129	At my old job, I won Employee of the Month twice. I was smoking on the job during those projects. __________________ Odi profanum vulgus et arceo
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09.30.2010, 05:44 PM	#118
hevusa expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: rain hell Posts: 1,535	http://blog.norml.org/2010/09/30/pro...fornia-voters/ More than half of Californians now say that they will vote ‘yes’ this November on Proposition 19, which would legalize the private adult use and cultivation of limited amounts of cannabis, and allow local governments the option of regulating its commercial production and retail distribution.
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10.01.2010, 06:58 PM	#119
SuchFriendsAreDangerous invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: fucking Los Angeles Posts: 14,801	like all the legalization balot measures of the past few years such as in Nevada or Alaska, prop 19 is absurdly written and will not and should not pass. It is not specific enough to be taken seriously by any legislature or government, and will not pass. BUT at the least it has accelerated the mainstream debate about cannabis, and socially upwards of half of californians including several prominent politicians and academics and newspaper editors and political commentators have all been rather receptive and positive to this debate. if we can't have legalization, at the least we can end the social stigmatization that is much worse than the existing laws in california.. and the proof? While Gov Arnold mashed down Prop 19, he did just sign an hour ago a new law which further decriminalizes possession of under an ounce from a technical misdemeonor to a full infraction like a parking ticket.. it has functioned as one for years, but you had to have a M criminal record for two years as a punishment which fucked up employment. Now you don't even have to report your cannabis arrests because they are like parking tickets and NEVER go on your record, statewide. The true victories for cannabis users and consumers is in the productive decriminalization movement.. People are far more receptive to such.. Schwarzenegger signs marijuana decriminalization bill Sign up for email newsletters now! Sign up for email newsletters now! Never miss a McClatchy story Register Log in logout member center Follow us on Twitter Follow us on Facebook Add us to your iPhone or G1 By Peter Hecht \| Sacramento Bee Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has signed legislation that will reduce the crime of possession of an ounce of marijuana from a misdemeanor to an infraction, handing a victory to marijuana advocates one month before November's state vote to legalize pot for recreational use. The governor's signature of Senate Bill 1449 by Sen. Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, will not reduce actual penalties for possession of small amounts of marijuana. Under California law, misdemeanor possession of less than an ounce was already punishable as infraction - with offenders facing fines of $100. Marijuana advocates say the governor's decision to sign the bill will significantly reduce the number of cases clogging California courts by removing the misdemeanor tag. The law will take effect Jan. 1, meaning it may be superseded - at least for Californians over 21 - by the November legalization measure. Schwarzenegger said he signed Leno's bill because "possession of less than an ounce of marijuana is infraction in everything but name." Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/10/0...#ixzz119ezpXhR __________________ Today Rap music is the Lakers
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10.01.2010, 07:02 PM	#120
EVOLghost invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: cybatraz! Posts: 11,537	I can only drive stoned.....ok that's a lie. but I do feel better....but I"m also a pro at driving. Drove to New York from Chicago stoned!
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