[ZEROpumpkins]

Sleeping Around is indeed terrible. It's not even relevant to Thurston, as a married man.

[joe11121]

Okay I know there's a lot of pumpkins hate on here so I'm gonna do their main albums...

Gish:

1. I Am One - 5/5 -> Cool opener
2. Siva - 5/5 -> Great song
3. Rhinoceros - 5/5 -> Another good one
4. Bury Me - 5/5 -> Awesome
5. Crush - 4/5
6. Suffer - 5/5 -> Cool
7. Snail - 4/5
   
8. Tristessa - 3/5
9. Window Paine - 4/5
10. Daydream - 5/5 -> Really dig D'arcy's vocals
11. I'm Going Crazy - 2/5

Siamese Dream:

1. Cherub Rock - 4/5
2. Quiet - 5/5
3. Today - 2.5/5
4. Hummer - 5/5
5. Rocket - 3/5
6. Disarm - 5/5 -> Real nice
7. Soma - 5/5 -> Probably my favourite on the album
8. Geek U.S.A. - 4.5/5
9. Mayonaise - 4.5/5
10. Spaceboy - 4/5
11. Silverfuck - 4/5
12. Sweet Sweet - 4.5/5 -> Simple, and very well done
13. Luna - 3.5/5

MCIS:

1. Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness-3/5
2. Tonight, Tonight-4.5/5 -> one part irritates me
3. Jellybelly-3.5/5
4. Zero-5/5 -> Great song
5. Here Is No Why-4.5/5
6. Bullet With Butterfly Wings-4/5 -> good, but overrated
7. To Forgive-4/5
8. Fuck You (An Ode To No One)-4/5
9. Love-3/5
10. Cupid De Locke-2/5 -> Better live
11. Galapogos-5/5 -> probably my favourite from the albums
12. Muzzle-4.5/5
13. Porcelina Of The Vast Oceans-4/5
14. Take Me Down-0.5/5 -> can't give james a 0, at least he's trying...
--
1. Where Boys Fear To Tread-5/5 -> Awesome
2. Bodies-4.5/5 -> Again, much better live, but still very good.
3. Thirty-Three-5/5
4. In The Arms Of Sleep-3.5/5
5. 1979-3/5 -> TOO OVERRATED!
6. Tales Of A Scorched Earth-0/5 -> I put 2/5 on my first one, yeah right...
7. Thru The Eyes Of Ruby-4/5
8. Stumbleine-4/5
9. X.Y.U.-4.5/5
10. We Only Come Out At Night-1/5
11. Beautiful-4/5 -> Most people overlook this track, i like it.
12. Lily (My One And Only)-2/5
13. By Starlight-5/5 -> Nice
14. Farewell And Goodnight-4/5 ->disappointed by james on his first song, but he does well on this one. d'arcy and billy sound good too.

Adore:

1. To Sheila - 5/5 -> Nice
2. Ava Adore - 4/5
3. Perfect - 4/5
4. Daphne Descends - 5/5 -> I think it's pretty cool
5. Once Upon a Time - 3.5/5
6. Tear - 3/5 -> Amazing live video of it on youtube, studio isn't as good.
7. Crestfallen - 5/5
8. Appels + Oranjes - 0/5 -> Probably one of their worst songs
9. Pug - 3/5
   
10. The Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete - 3/5
11. Annie-Dog - 1.5/5
12. Shame - 1/5
13. Behold! The Night Mare - 4/5
14. For Martha - 5/5 -> Amazing, in every way, pointless part at the end though
15. Blank Page - 3/5
16. 17 - 1/5 -> an attempt at experimental music??

Machina:

1. The Everlasting Gaze - 3/5
2. Raindrops + Sunshowers - 1/5 -> Not good
3. Stand Inside Your Love - 5/5 -> Actually a very good track
4. I of the Mourning - 1/5 -> Radio, Radio, Radio, Kill me
5. The Sacred and Profane - 1/5
6. Try, Try, Try - 5/5 -> Very Nice
7. Heavy Metal Machine - 0/5 -> Excuse me while I vomit
8. This Time - 1.5/5
9. The Imploding Voice - 1/5
10. Glass and the Ghost Children - 3.5/5
11. Wound - 2/5
12. The Crying Tree of Mercury - 2.5/5 -> terrible on here, but amazing on If all goes wrong
13. With Every Light - 3/5
14. Blue Skies Bring Tears - 4/5
15. Age of Innocence - 3/5

*I'm not doing Machina 2, but it is a pretty decent album

Zeitgeist:

1. Doomsday Clock - 4/5 -> Made the album seem interesting
2. 7 Shades of Black - 2/5
3. Bleeding the Orchid - 3/5
4. That's the Way My Love is - 4/5 -> another good track
5. Tarantula - 3.5/5 -> A nice track
6. Starz - 2/5 -> Annoying as fuck
7. United States - 3/5 -> Use to like it much more
8. Neverlost - 1/5
9. Bring the Light - 5/5 -> Best song on the album
10. (Come On) Let's Go! - 2/5 -> This "Come on" thing he's doing in a bunch of new songs is pissing me off
11. For God and Country - 1/5
12. Pomp and Circumstances - 1/5

Bonus on Zeitgeist:

1. Death from Above - 2/5
2. Stellar - 2.5/5
3. Zeitgeist - 5/5 -> Awesome! Better than any other song on the real album
4. Ma Belle - 3/5

[StevOK]

Your ratings on Mellon Collie are all out of whack.

And "The Imploding Voice" only gets a 1?

[Death & the Maiden]

Boris - Smile

1. Flower, Sun, Rain - 5
2. BUZZ-IN - 4
3. Laser Beam - 4
4. Statement - 4
5. My Neighbour Satan - 5
6. Ka Re Ha Te Ta Sa Ki - No Ones Grieve - 5
7. You Were Holding an Umbrella - 5
8. ... - 5

[Death & the Maiden]

Ghost - Ghost

1. Sun is Tangging - 5
2. Guru in the Echo - 5
3. Moungod Te Deum - 3
4. I've Been Flying - 5
5. Ballad of Summer Rounder - 5
6. Moungod Asleep - 4
7. Moungod Radiant Youth - 4
8. Rakshu - 4.5

[joe11121]

Originally Posted by StevOK

Your ratings on Mellon Collie are all out of whack.

And "The Imploding Voice" only gets a 1?

I don't like mellon collie all that much, and to be honest, i don't really remember the imploding voice, all i remember is that machina wasnt the greatest album. I only remember half of the tunes from it.

What would you MCIS be?

[StevOK]

MCIS:

1. Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness-2/5
2. Tonight, Tonight-4/5
3. Jellybelly-5/5
4. Zero-4/5
5. Here Is No Why-5/5
6. Bullet With Butterfly Wings-3/5
7. To Forgive-4.5/5
8. Fuck You (An Ode To No One)-4/5
9. Love-3/5
10. Cupid De Locke-4/5
11. Galapogos-4/5
12. Muzzle-5/5
13. Porcelina Of The Vast Oceans-5/5
14. Take Me Down-1/5

1. Where Boys Fear To Tread-4/5
2. Bodies-4.5/5
3. Thirty-Three-3/5
4. In The Arms Of Sleep-4.5/5
5. 1979-3.5/5
6. Tales Of A Scorched Earth-3/5
7. Thru The Eyes Of Ruby-5/5
8. Stumbleine-3.5/5
9. X.Y.U.-4/5
10. We Only Come Out At Night-4/5
11. Beautiful-4/5
12. Lily (My One And Only)-5/5
13. By Starlight-5/5
14. Farewell And Goodnight-3/5

[SonikJesus]

Originally Posted by fluxequalsrad

We dance has some fucked up lyrics, I don't know wtf hes talking about. I knew this album was going to be one of my favorite albums of all time after hearing the water start pouring during We Dance - and then the wild stomp of Rattled by the Rush

Almost all of Pavement's songs have fucked up lyrics. That's why I like them.

[Torn Curtain]

Originally Posted by joe11121

Okay I know there's a lot of pumpkins hate on here so I'm gonna do their main albums...

http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/sho...307#post330307

My ratings :

Siamese Dream :

1. Cherub Rock -4
2. Quiet - 4.5
3. Today - 4
4. Hummer - 5 (I love it, one of my favorite songs to play along to)
5. Rocket -3
6. Disarm - 5
7. Soma - 5
8. Geek U.S.A. -3.5 for the beginning, 5 for the amazing break (so 4.25 on the whole then)
   
9. Mayonaise - 5
10. Spaceboy - 5
11. Silverfuck - 4.5 (rocks better live)
12. Sweet Sweet - 4
13. Luna - 5 (I've heard a crappy live version, studio is better)

Adore :

1. To Sheila - 5
2. Ava Adore - 5
3. Perfect - 3
4. Daphne Descends - 5
5. Once Upon a Time - 4.5
6. Tear - 5
7. Crestfallen - 5
8. Appels + Oranjes - 5
9. Pug - 5
   
10. The Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete - 5
11. Annie-Dog - 3.5
12. Shame -5
13. Behold! The Night Mare - 5
14. For Martha - 5
15. Blank Page -5 (sounds like an attempt at crossing Satie and Brian Wilson, successful for me)
16. 17 - 4

[Torn Curtain]

Originally Posted by joe11121

I of the Mourning - 1/5 -> Radio, Radio, Radio, Kill me

I like that song (even if there's something awkward about it indeed - the too direct reference to Joy Division's Transmission maybe), the guitars remind me of Jeff Buckley's Nightmare by the sea.

[joe11121]

Originally Posted by StevOK

6. Tales Of A Scorched Earth-3/5

This is my least favourite on the album. It was actually their first song where i though, oh god!

[MellySingsDoom]

Scuse me whilst I kiss the intolerance, but Smashing Pumpkins? Jesus wept!

Anyway, enough of my big mouth - here's me rating the hunks, and by that, I mean a Whitehouse LP - "Right To Kill", in fact:

Dedicated to Dennis Nielsen - Hmm, not as good as "Ripper Territory" - 3/5
Cock Dominant - A toe-tapping number live, here it's not so fab - 3/5
Tit Pulp - Ah, the joys of the P Best/M Dowd love-fest - 4/5
Gilles Des Rais - What could have been a monster track is a bit of a let-down - 2.5/5
Pro-Rapist - Hmm, pretty meh really - 2/5
Death Penalty - Pure Genius - 5/5
The Street Cleaner - Loses points for the too-quiet vocals - 3.5/5
Bloodfucking - Hey, isn't this an SJ number?...It is! 4/5
Queen Myra - Genuinely chilling - 5/5
New Sadist - Brilliant - 5/5
Right to Kill - the bit towards the end is a real affecting moment - 5/5

[ZEROpumpkins]

1. Cherub Rock -4
2. Quiet - 4.5
3. Today - 5
4. Hummer - 5
5. Rocket -4
6. Disarm - 4.5
7. Soma - 5
8. Geek U.S.A. -3.5 (Last half is 5/5 though)
9. Mayonaise - 5
10. Spaceboy - 4
11. Silverfuck - 5
12. Sweet Sweet - 2
13. Luna - 5

[chairman of the bored]

hmm...i would take 'sleepin around' over 'lights out' or 'or' anyday...in fact i kinda like the song, in all of its silliness

[StevOK]

Originally Posted by joe11121

This is my least favourite on the album. It was actually their first song where i though, oh god!

Eh. I think it's at least decent. I would rather listen to it than Zero at the moment, just cuz it's a little overplayed.

[chairman of the bored]

all the time-zzz/5
such a joke-zzzz/5
wild eyes-1/5
going insane-zzzzzz/5
tell the world-0.5/5
where do you run to-.75/5
damaged (black flag version)-4/5
no-no/5
never see me again-ugh/5
i believe in nothing-you decide/5

[chairman of the bored]

7~ (EWE Remix)-3/5
7->(Boriginal)-5/5
7+(EYE Remix)-3/5

[samuel]

MACHINA
The Everlasting Gaze - 2.5/5
Raindrops + Sunshowers - 4.5/5
Stand Inside Your Love - 4/5
I of the Mourning - 5/5
The Sacred and Profane - 3/5
Try, Try, Try - 2.5/5 (I prefer the MACHINA II version)
Heavy Metal Machine - 2/5
This Time - 4/5
The Imploding Voice - 4/5
Glass and the Ghost Children - 3.5/5
Wound - 4.5/5
The Crying Tree of Mercury - 5/5
With Every Light - 5/5
Blue Skies Bring Tears - 5/5
Age of Innocence - 5/5

...my favorite Pumpkins' album.

Also, I don't think 1979 is overrated. It's a 5/5 for me!

[StevOK]

Originally Posted by samuel

MACHINA
Try, Try, Try - 2.5/5 (I prefer the MACHINA II version)

You said it! The Machina II version is one of my favorite SP songs. I even put it on the mix I gave to my wife when we first met.

[ZEROpumpkins]

Production on Machina was so terrible, ruined the Pumpkins for me.