[ricechex]

Originally Posted by EyeballGrowth

I'm sorry but FUCK ALL YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES who bust on illegal immigrants. They're refusing to work because right now the USA is trying to FUCK them over. Oh you've been able to live here for the past 20 years but now you have to fucking leave cause our new president is a fucking asshole, get out of our country you foreigners!! They have the perfect right to want to earn american citizenship. How the fuck would you feel if your lived in a country of disease and poverty where you can't even afford medicine for your own illnesses let alone food and water. Many of these people are here legally and they all have the right to earn the privledge to become American citizens. Why don't we just start fucking banning everyone from this country. We have no problems with canadians, why's that? Cause they're white and they speak english that's why.

I laugh at these miserable idiots because you know exactly what it would be like if they suddenly had no food, money, and cars and shit.

And I agree with KChris, yeah we're all annoyed by the ignorant idealistic surburban trendy, USA hating, vegetarian hipster kids who try to push views that they don't even themselves understand on everyone who comes into their path. Hell, I can't even go to a damn public BBQ without seeing the Vegan hippy BBQ off to the side with pictures of slaughterhouse scenes hanging above all the veggieburgers. If that's what you're protesting I can understand that, It annoys me just as much as it annoys you but god man, at least you live in a fucking country where the worst thing you have to worry about is being annoyed by some trendy suburban hipsters. You don't have to ask yourself daily, shit, where am I gonna sleep tonight, or I hope this rotten chicken I found on the side of the road doesn't have ecoli in it.

Hey. I don't know what that last paragraph has to do with anything. "Ignorant, idealistic, suburban, USA hating"( LOVE that one), hipster kids..???

I'm annoyed more by the hateful, conservative, "Fox news is real news", superficially compassionate, head up their ass, walmart is good, never been to the big city types, personally.

[candymoan]

france had its share of the problems earlier this year.. so did australia.. social problems are one thing, but heightening them to a racist gridlock is something else..

there are no black and white areas regarding these situations, and people just have to be aware of how manipulated their message becomes..

[ricechex]

True, it's not black and white. Everything is political nowadays too. What fuels alot of this anger is how divided the country is, and specifically the right. The traditional conservative viewpoint is to put a halt on immigration and especially the illegal variant. But now, that is being sort of pushed to the side and ignored by the Bushie conservatisim, b/c their new focus is on the eternal bottom line of greed, money. This side are the same people who push outsourcing..again, Bush influence. So of course, the Bushies can now show how compassionate they r on this, and sell it as such. But it is hollow for the most part.


Don't be swayed. If we do not control the borders and account for illegals etc.,the driving force and the trend will continue to be to drive the cost of workers down.

I work at a major publishing firm, and we have just set up two major pipelines, circuits, to Indian firms to begin sending heavy data about our operations. We're hearing outsourcing. It's the same principle. Lowest costs possible for business, and american workers getting axed. What kills me is they say they're doing what's best for the company AND it's employees. haha. But how's that, by becoming ex-employees?

I got off on a tangeant, but it's relative, nonetheless. We have got to figure out a way to thwart this trend of lowest cost priority, or else it's no more middle class, and low, barely liavable, wages for american workers and ultimately everyone; immigrants, illegals included, save the top echalon of tax break millionaires. That's the trend.

[elix it]

Haha! Nothing's changed.

'Rhys Chatam' is an idiot. Know nothing know it all.

You were right though, when on the old board you said anal sex was overrated. I agree with you on that. Hahaha!

[truncated]

Well well elix it, about time you joined us.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by elix it

You were right though, when on the old board you said anal sex was overrated. I agree with you on that. Hahaha!

next time ask the dude to use some ky jelly. actually, aqualube is best.

[atari 2600]

Originally Posted by ricechex

Don't be swayed. If we do not control the borders and account for illegals etc.,the driving force and the trend will continue to be to drive the cost of workers down.

I work at a major publishing firm, and we have just set up two major pipelines, circuits, to Indian firms to begin sending heavy data about our operations. We're hearing outsourcing. It's the same principle. Lowest costs possible for business, and american workers getting axed. What kills me is they say they're doing what's best for the company AND it's employees. haha. But how's that, by becoming ex-employees?

I got off on a tangent, but it's relative, nonetheless. We have got to figure out a way to thwart this trend of lowest cost priority, or else it's no more middle class, and low, barely liavable, wages for american workers and ultimately everyone; immigrants, illegals included, save the top echalon of tax break millionaires. That's the trend.

Originally Posted by atari 2600

If the corporate pigs were not benefiting from illegal mexican workers being here in America then you better believe that the National Guard would be called out & the protesters would be forced by tank escort to march right back to Mexico.

Think about it. If you truly care. Think about the fact that hiring illegal immigrants is a violation of the federal rackeetering act for a reason. It hurts Americans & the illegal immigrants themselves. Companies that hire or go out seeking to hire illegal immigrants are enabling them to stay illegal, so naturally, it has bled over into a problem with too many immigrants either not bothering or making the sacrifices of time necessary to become legal citizens. what part of reality don't you get exactly?

Originally Posted by atari 2600

Illegal immigrants contribute to a culture of indentured servitude & do a disservice to themselves & their own potential by not becoming legal American citizens first. By being illegal aliens, they minimize their abilty to achieve prosperity by lawful means & they subjugate themselves to any number of employer labor abuses. The most obvious of which is that they cannot expect to be guaranteed regular hours, overtime pay or a minimum wage.
None of this should be too tough to figure out if one actually cares about the people at the heart of this issue instead of just waxing together in unison being all "peace & love & understanding, dude" which basically amounts to complete & utter mental masturbation; I fail to see how it accomplishes or solves anything or serves to even further a real discussion.

I understand that what protesters are protesting about. They want unionization basically. It's not going to happen. Naturalization & a road to recovery might hopefully might be on the horizon but the rich business owners of America that exploit illegal immigrants are never going to give them the security of unionized workers. To do so would take away the perceived advantages of hiring them in the first place. If these protests raise consciousness about the issue or the intrinisic value of human rights, then that's great. But pack me another hit in the peace pipe, because that's probably just dreaming, truth be told.

I never wrote or tried to imply that I have no sympathy for illegal immigrants.
Instead the very first thing I wrote was:

Originally Posted by atari 2600

I'm not against immigration. Only a fool would be. I acknowledge & fervently & firmly believe that immigration, i.e. the melting pot, is what helped make this country great. But, like the Sheriff coarsely alluded, it should be done legally. The bureaucracy for gaining legal citizenship should be streamlined & made altogether more accessible for those that would like to call America home, but in this post 9/11 day & age that's gonna be a tough nut to crack.

then i begin with an analogy that I prefaced by writing it was "sort of an unfair comparison, but" & a certain poster deliberately several posts later tried to take issue with me as not be sympathetic to the plight of illegal immigrants & all the varying extenuating circumstances of their life.

I actually bring factual information into the debate & most of the rest of you just are blowing each other off trying to look good or goofing off at my expense. My posting history at this board & the old one demonstrates that I truly have passion & concern, whereas a certain other poster's demonstrates that he is a petty individual. Think about that. Think about the fact that you are ignore listed & that I will not mention you if you do not mention me. You are free to quote & provide rebuttal, but the little flame games you pathetically enjoy so much are finshed. Keep my name out of your posts other than as a quote or making a valid, reasonable point.

Originally Posted by atari 2600

The truth is that rights are, always have been & most probably always will be a social construct, which means that the rights that we have that shouldn't ever be able to be taken away are actually really just granted to us under certain conditions. If that seems unfair, then I suggest you follow my applicable suggestion that I repeatedly offer forth & start spreading the word about passing a constitutional amendment to end all repeat terms of office in this country to possibly see Human Rights Justice really done one day.

[EyeballGrowth]

I prefer Silly Lube

[elix it]

Originally Posted by truncated

Well well elix it, about time you joined us.

Mm hmm, had to get my beauty rest.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by EyeballGrowth

I prefer Silly Lube

no wonder things went awry

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by ricechex

Don't be swayed. If we do not control the borders and account for illegals etc.,the driving force and the trend will continue to be to drive the cost of workers down.

as long as we live in a society which values the cost of workers above the standard of living, then we will live in an extremely divided society, and a House divide against itself shall not stand!

our society must embrace empathy before politics, and look at people as just that people, before they add on political/racial/imperialistic labels and overlook the eyes of the people being classified.

People, I just want you all to see that the glory in yr hearts was put inside you for a reason, so dont waste it on the games of this generation.

[atari 2600]

Originally Posted by SucFriendsAreDangerous

our society must embrace empathy before politics, and look at people as just that people, before they add on political/racial/imperialistic labels and overlook the eyes of the people being classified.

Really cool sentiment there, but let me make sure I'm reading you correctly. Your plan is to wait on some eventual evolutionary heightening of human consciousness?

Originally Posted by atari 2600

I suggest you follow my applicable suggestion that I repeatedly offer forth & start spreading the word about passing a constitutional amendment to end all repeat terms of office in this country to ever possibly see Human Rights Justice really done one day.

Originally Posted by atari 2600

If these protests raise consciousness about the issue or the intrinisic value of human rights, then that's great. But pack me another hit in the peace pipe, because that's probably just dreaming, truth be told.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by atari 2600

Really cool sentiment there, but let me make sure I'm reading you correctly. Your plan is to wait on some eventual evolutionary heightening of human consciousness?

oh no, but it would be unwise to let the cat of the bag.

[porkmarras]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Rhys Chatham

Thiss hit is so stupid. Its been on the news for a couple of days now.
Hey lets stop working in a country where we're not allowed to work to protest our right to rights. Maybe if they came legally they'd get something. They were saying shit how they help america and they work for america. So your telling me you crossed the boarders illegally, broke numerous jobs, because you want to help America? Fuck that man. Fuck off.

What planet are you from?

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by porkmarras

What planet are you from?

i think he comes from planet shithead

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

i think he comes from planet shithead

speaking of other planets, the United States is spending about a billion dollars a year developing a program to convert Mars into a green, habitable planet within 100 years. this is not a joke, this is truth!

maybe they will rename it planet shithead when all of the ignorant Amerikkkans move there to escape from the Jews, Wetbacks and Niggers of the land in which they stole, destroyed and now it seems plan to abandon.

[khchris(original)]

Originally Posted by ricechex

well yeah, but that's not saying much. you are easy to fool.

Well I say this because you're always a day late, dollar short.

You bring up "old news" as if it just came out today.

So I even question whether or not you infact do have a degree because you don't sound educated enough in Political Science. Either that or you probably got your degree online?

[khchris(original)]

Originally Posted by ricechex

Hey. I don't know what that last paragraph has to do with anything. "Ignorant, idealistic, suburban, USA hating"( LOVE that one), hipster kids..???

I'm annoyed more by the hateful, conservative, "Fox news is real news", superficially compassionate, head up their ass, walmart is good, never been to the big city types, personally.

Ricechex, don't you have some KKK rally or some GOP convention to go to?

I'm sorry if we're hating on your "favorite president", but he's an idiot and someone's gotta set you straight.

[khchris(original)]

Originally Posted by ricechex

True, it's not black and white. Everything is political nowadays too. What fuels alot of this anger is how divided the country is, and specifically the right. The traditional conservative viewpoint is to put a halt on immigration and especially the illegal variant. But now, that is being sort of pushed to the side and ignored by the Bushie conservatisim, b/c their new focus is on the eternal bottom line of greed, money. This side are the same people who push outsourcing..again, Bush influence. So of course, the Bushies can now show how compassionate they r on this, and sell it as such. But it is hollow for the most part.


Don't be swayed. If we do not control the borders and account for illegals etc.,the driving force and the trend will continue to be to drive the cost of workers down.

I work at a major publishing firm, and we have just set up two major pipelines, circuits, to Indian firms to begin sending heavy data about our operations. We're hearing outsourcing. It's the same principle. Lowest costs possible for business, and american workers getting axed. What kills me is they say they're doing what's best for the company AND it's employees. haha. But how's that, by becoming ex-employees?

I got off on a tangeant, but it's relative, nonetheless. We have got to figure out a way to thwart this trend of lowest cost priority, or else it's no more middle class, and low, barely liavable, wages for american workers and ultimately everyone; immigrants, illegals included, save the top echalon of tax break millionaires. That's the trend.

So, the "right" is divided, but not the "left"? WOW! Sounds like you got "RATHER RIPPED" on your so-called "degree" in Political Science. Did you get it in like 9 weeks?

Conservative Republicans do not want to "hault" immigration. That is retarded. So obviously you're still probably getting your "online degree" because you don't know shit about "Conservative Republicans". Bush's stance is not really even aligned with all conservative republicans(and you have a degree in what???). What Bush wanted was a system of working cards for those here illegally, not what most conservatives really wanted.

As far as "outsourcing", well it was actually Bill Clinton who got America on the ball rolling in outsourcing. Better go back and get your money because those online degrees don't teach you jack. It's not so much of a "money" issue as it is with an "ethics" issue, and I think that's where you lost understanding of just why the Republicans disagree with Democrats on this issue.

And if I recall, even Japan was outsourcing before America and the rest of the world started to outsource, so "outsourcing" was inevitable...it isn't a choice, it was mandatory for survival, plain and simple.

Would you really pay for a Ford Taurus if it costed $20,000 over a Honda Civic that costed $16,000 even if you knew the Honda car had better crash ratings, was safer, was more fuel efficient, and had less defects? And that's why "outsourcing" in America exist.

You may have a shitty online degree, but you don't know shit about Economics, my friend.

[ricechex]

Originally Posted by khchris(original)

Well I say this because you're always a day late, dollar short.

You bring up "old news" as if it just came out today.

So I even question whether or not you infact do have a degree because you don't sound educated enough in Political Science. Either that or you probably got your degree online?

Yeah, old news. Unfortunately, so much ill is happening with our govt. powers, things like wiretapping american's illegally, outing CIA agents, and failure to find WMD that lead to unjust, illegal wars, are sadly, just "old news".