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I fucking love troll pictures. They're so artful.
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It's all down to effort and originality. The more effort and originality an artist puts into his/her creation, the more respect they'll receive from the general public. How can anyone respect someone who creates what they deem a piece of art something the public can easily do themselves or have done in their everyday lives? |
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people often look at early abstract or expressionist work saying 'oh my kid could have done that' and it's quite wrong, maybe your kid could do that, but at the time those pieces were made AND EXHIBITED AS ART, it was a revelation. we are now used to seeing stuff that is not necessarily about craftmanship, but you need some kind of drive to be the first one to put a canvas flat on the ground and drip over it, like pollock did (he completely turned the normal way of painting: vertical, with control over the brugh strokes) |
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i had no idea this would cause so much confusion.
first off, OF COURSE it's art... it's in a fucking art museum for christ's sake. Quote:
yup... and the title of this thread is one of those things. ![]() Quote:
just because the artist claims it doesn't make it so... i learned this a long time ago when i tried to take a bite out of yoko ono's apple at the moma. i was thrown out before i got it to my mouth. i'm pretty certain the same would have happened if i'd tried to water the plants with the hose... Quote:
it breaks down no barriers, there was no interaction with the piece other than worshiping an object on a pedestal (even if there was no pedestal) and it was not playful or humorous in the slightest. riding in these teacup bumper cars was playful and humorous. i got to sit on 'art' and smash it into other 'art' .... very very gently or the museum guard would get mad... still, a lot of fun. ![]() eating thai food was playful and humorous. no object on a pedestal here. just social interaction in the raw. and free food.... same for the espresso/bean bag movie watching experience tiravanija gave me at the guggenheim, though i don't have photos of that one... ![]() and defacing a gordon matta-clark was a lot of fun, even if that's what it was there for. ![]() but just standing there and looking at a hose on the patio was about the boringest thing i've ever done in a museum.... ...so yeah, i still don't get it.
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at a certain point in this century art started to be more about art itself than about making a picture of something. all work had to be refreshing and original, which would mean the end of art, because as soon as you show the piece a second time it's not original anymore.
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I read a great book about i, written in the 40's about how modern art had perverted the love of beauty into the narcissitic love of the shaman/artist. Instead of praising the natural world around us with art, artists began praising themselves as sopme sort of "sacred" founts of "ART".
in the rennaissance times, even the highest of artists was just a glorified craftsman, a person for hire to the highest bidder, (or ANY bidder if times were rough) the idea that art was more dependent on the mind of the one making it than the actual resultng art piece is what twisted all this u[p I think. everyone wants their artists to be shamanhealers, to be natural-born-seers, instead of the hardworking, tedius, process oriented creator of art opbjects that is a more accurate representation of the true artist. . beauty comes from effort.
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what i do get is that by resorting to excluding those in the audience who don't "get it," you've actually proved that the piece reinforces the elitist positioning of the 'art object' in society. so much for... you know... 'breaking down barriers' and all. i am also saying this in the nicest possible way.
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^ploesj
I agree, and I suppose that point where art began to concentrate on itself was the point when it really began to alienate a more general audience. |
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Do you remember the name of thast book by any chance? |
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I will check out my stacks and post the name of the book.
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thanks!
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indeed, which is quite a bad thing, since this is a time when art could really be available for everyone... it used to be an elitist thing because only the rich people could afford education, books, artworks. now it's an elitist thing because the majority of the population thinks it's rubbish. |
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the Elite have it in their best interest to destroy/ruin any elite item/endeavor that becomes accessible to the masses.
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indeed, because it's what makes them different.
ugh. and you know we're no better than that. would you still love your obscure noisebands as much if everyone had a poster of them up on their walls? i'm off to bed, art philosophy exam in the morning. wish me luck! |
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You go inside anyone's house where you live, ploesj, and you'll discover they own nothing by Pollock, or any abstract or expressionist work. It'll be more the art that appeals, is familiar, and is the least pretentious. The average person has never fallen for all that pseud hyperbole that only ever convinces imbecilic poseurs with more money than sense. |
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You must wave a yellow hose around some more before spraying it at floatingslowly again. i'm glad someone caught the humor in that....
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Elitism is not bad, especially in the modern sense of setting yourself outside of the mass/homogenized experience.
"My kid could do that" is to art what "it's just a bunch of noise" is to "out" music. The rubes can have their experience, and they can look at me with the same disdain I have for them. Being secure in your tastes and being careful who your friends are is not bad. Dumbing down your life in an effort to be part of an increasingly idiotic and anti-intellectual culture is far worse than behaving in a way that some slack-jawed moron would call "elitist." |
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What is on the wall of the room you're in?
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A framed promo poster for my first album from 1997. It was a gift from my mom.
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Just for you then, some pictures I didn't get to use today: ![]() ![]() ![]()
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