[jon boy]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

If it came down to statistics alone, we would find out that there are more people who don't watch big brother than there are in reality. If we want to perceive things the way we imagine them to be is one thing, but the reality is always more complex than our perception of it. At least that's what happens to most people.

i wasnt suggesting that everyone was watching big brother. more that people are apathetic.

Just for you, !@#$%!.

Things about communism:

- It is a system that can only work on an international level. You simply can't have it in one or two countries alone. Regardless of what you've been fed by historians, communism wasn't such a thing in Russia or China.

- In the event of such a revolutionary system taking over the world, people would still have to work at least 3 hours a day, but the difference would be that your role in society would be dictated by your true potential as a human being, and not from what you're pushed to do in order to survive.

- People who don't use money in what still remains a capitalist society ARE NOT communists, but idiots who give it a bad name.

- Communism certainly doesn't imply sharing your toothbrush or house with
strangers, that's an obsolete view brought in by the damage of believing that this system ever took place on this planet.

[demonrail666]

Very true Sarram

Just to add: There is no real contradiction between Communism and selfishness. If someone feels that THEY will benefit from such a social shift as one brought about by Communism, then that doesn't make them any less of a communist than anyone else.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

Just for you, !@#$%!.

Things about communism:

- It is a system that can only work on an internation level. You simply can't have it in one or two countries alone. Regardless of what you've been fed by historians, communism wasn't such a thing in Russia or China.

yes & no. marx predicted the rise of communism only after the triumph of capitalism, so yes russia and china didn't fit the mold. regardless collectivization is a horrid way of life.

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

- In the event of such a revolutionary system taking over the world, people would still have to work at least 3 hours a day, but the difference would be that your role in society would be dictated by your true potential as a human being, and not from what you're pushed to do in order to survive.

my role in society would be DICTATED... who is going to detect my potential? i have a friend who grew up in czechoslovakia and his "true potential" was deemed to be that of a mining engineer. he was sent to engineerig school. he escaped & became a photograher.

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

- People who don't use money in what still remains a capitalist society ARE NOT communists, but idiots who give it a bad name.

no, the kibbutzes (sorry dont know the plural here) were founded by bolsheviks-- they operate as a collective farm. if they earn money on the outside they give their salaries to the commune. the kibbutz itself operates with money but its members do not require it in order to obtain housing, food, medical services, use of vehicles, etc.

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

- Communism certainly doesn't imply sharing your toothbrush or house with
strangers, that's an obsolete view brought in by the damage of believing that this system ever took place on this planet.

i knew this woman who had 2 kids, a boy & a girl in one bedroom. the girl was 14 and the boy 10, which meant that a budding young woman was sleeping in the same room as a little boy. the result was that they fought endlessly. i pointed out the deveopment of the young girl and suggested she build a room where the girl can have some privacy. but because there was no private property, and no internal use of money, she could not build without the permission of the community, nor could she buy it herself. she requested an extra room, but other people protested, "how dare you ask, we have 4 kids in the same room! "

i never want to live in a world like that. i'd rather die in a free market than live under the opression of the herd. at least i get to choose how i die rather than rot under the orders of a committee.

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

i knew this woman who had 2 kids, a boy & a girl in one bedroom. the girl was 14 and the boy 10, which meant that a budding young woman was sleeping in the same room as a little boy. the result was that they fought endlessly. i pointed out the deveopment of the young girl and suggested she build a room where the girl can have some privacy. but because there was no private property, and no internal use of money, she could not build without the permission of the community, nor could she buy it herself. she requested an extra room, but other people protested, how dare you ask, we have 4 kids in the same room!

i never want to live in a world like that. i'd rather die in a free market than live under the opression of the herd.

Those are not communists you talk about, they are filthy hippies. The communists i have encountered drive sports cars, like the good life and have generally good sex. Just because you call yourself a bolshevik (the horror) and you live in a pigsty, it most certainly doesn't make you one.

[MellySingsDoom]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

blah blah blah good sex blah blah blah

Damn, sarramkrop, enough of the sex talk already. Can't you talk about something else for once?

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my role in society would be DICTATED... who is going to detect my potential? i have a friend who grew up in czechoslovakia and his "true potential" was deemed to be that of a mining engineer. he was sent to engineerig school. he escaped & became a photograher.




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Again, that IS NOT communism that you're talking about. Your role would be dictated by the very system that encourages your true self to come to the fore.

[demonrail666]

Communism is, in the end, more an issue of personal pride than it is one of personal sacrifice.

[MellySingsDoom]

"Communists? I shit 'em!"

Originally Posted by MellySingsDoom

"Communists? I shit 'em!"

I thought that i was the only one mentioning sex on this thread. I was wrong.

[Toilet & Bowels]

i'd highly recommend this book as an impartial, entertaining and readable biography of marx and analysis of his work:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Karl-Marx-Fr...8542613&sr=1-2

[MellySingsDoom]

sarramkrop - Well, dear, don't think that YOU have the monopoly on sex talk round here. Oy vey.

Yours

Melly J Pervert.

[racehorse]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

but porky, you can't have an economy without markets. and they are goingto either self-regulate or they are going to be regulated by the state. in communist economoes the state did an abysmal job of regulating markets and responding to demand with appropriate supply. the result was stagnation and eventual deprivation. (and with these methods, stalin killed more ukranians than hitler killed jews).

i suckled from the tit of socialism and i even tried living in a kibbutz for 6 months, did you know that? its horrid.

ah, except this was not the communism of marx. he looked towards the abolition of the wages system and the disappearance of the state.He envisioned a society of freely associated producers.
What doesn't work is Capitalism, which is dragging humankind into a world of war, the destruction of the environment, a neglect of human values and economic collapse.

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

i'd highly recommend this book as an impartial, entertaining and readable biography of marx and analysis of his work:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Karl-Marx-Fr...8542613&sr=1-2

That's a brilliant and insightful book. I highly recommend it too.

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

i'd highly recommend this book as an impartial, entertaining and readable biography of marx and analysis of his work:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Karl-Marx-Fr...8542613&sr=1-2

I enjoyed that book. Another good introduction with a greater emphasis Marx's ideas is:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marx-Great-P...8543734&sr=1-1

This one follows more of the line that Sarram is putting forward.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

Those are not communists you talk about, they are filthy hippies. The communists i have encountered drive sports cars, like the good life and have generally good sex. Just because you call yourself a bolshevik (the horror) and you live in a pigsty, it most certainly doesn't make you one.

it wasnt a pigsty. it was nice and dignified. but you had to consult with the fucking mass for every change.

communists driving sports cars? im definitely not surprised. communism has often been a hobby of rich capitalists with bad conscience.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

I enjoyed that book. Another good introduction with a greater emphasis Marx's ideas is:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marx-Great-P...8543734&sr=1-1

This one follows more of the line that Sarram is putting forward.

fucking shit, i detest terry eagleton, he's a fucking killjoy. fuck him and his mother for not strangling him in the cradle.

[Toilet & Bowels]

lest we forget, !"£$%!....

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

I don't think that this sort of chat generally turns into more than a slanging match.

Sarramkrop - 100 points

&&**** - 3 points

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

fucking shit, i detest terry eagleton, he's a fucking killjoy. fuck him and his mother for not strangling him in the cradle.

Come on !@... Not like you to stay on the fence.