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What's the problem here?

[Rob Instigator]

I made fun of somebody's momma it looks like

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Oh ok, carry on.

[gmku]

Originally Posted by atari 2600

Whoa! Wild nuptial news! (You know, wedding guest Julian Schnabel (sous chef-turned-'80s art star) directed Basquiat, and most recently The Diving Bell and The Butterfly.)
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They look like a real nice quiet couple. Like people I'd want for my next-door neighbors.

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Originally Posted by This Is Not Here

sonic youth are experimental music

sonic youth are rock

add some noise--

still rock

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ps

Experimental music

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Experimental music is a term introduced by composer John Cage in 1955. Cage defined "an experimental action is one the outcome of which is not foreseen" (Cage 1961, 39), and he was specifically interested in completed works that performed an unpredictable action (Mauceri 1997, 197) In a broader sense, it has come to mean any music that challenges the commonly accepted notions of what music is. Avant-garde music is another term for it. David Cope describes experimental music as that, "which represents a refusal to accept the status quo" (Cope, 1997, 222).

etc etc bla bla bla

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so when i hear "silver rocket" begin, i already know how it's going to end

same with the diamond sea

same with new hampshire

same with all the pop-infested rather ripped

it's not "experimental"

it's rock.

 

[mangajunky]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

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so when i hear "silver rocket" begin, i already know how it's going to end

same with the diamond sea

same with new hampshire

same with all the pop-infested rather ripped

it's not "experimental"

it's rock.

 

Unless you're seeing them live. Then it can go in all sorts of directions.

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Originally Posted by mangajunky

Unless you're seeing them live. Then it can go in all sorts of directions.

throw in some noise improvisation in the middle, just like guitar solos have done since the beginning of time, just like jazz or descargas, they return to the song, it's always a song, "experimental" my pompous ass. rock.

[pbradley]

You people prove that language is a virus.

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(from outer space)

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unrelated:

i love big science btw. my favorite record for cleaning house.

[gmku]

Actually, Laurie Reed looks a little like me, come to think of it. Hmm...

[nicfit]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

throw in some noise improvisation in the middle, just like guitar solos have done since the beginning of time, just like jazz or descargas, they return to the song, it's always a song, "experimental" my pompous ass. rock.

have you ever seen teenage riot as a set ender, or nyc ghost and flowers, or the ultra famous Hallucinogenic preserve's the diamond sea?
seeing thurston screaming rolling on the floor while almost swallowing a mic and lee jumping on a little amp with sorta tibetan bells ringing hanging from his hands while smiling and waving at the audience isn't much of a "return to the song"....Maybe this is not the "standard definition of experimental" (which is, imho, a contraddiction in itself), but it sure isn't that predictable, unless you think saying "oh, now they'll do something strange with that thing" lessens the impact of their actions, but this could be applied to any kind of music.
All of this has nothing to do with laurie anderson, just my take on sy live.

[gmku]

Sonic Youth isn't real experimental but it sure can sound pretty sometimes.

[pbradley]

You're right guys, there's nothing experimental at all about sticking screwdrivers under the strings or alternative tunings.

[gmku]

I'm just being sardonic. Of course they're experimental. To an extent. Some of their stuff is more than others. Some of their stuff once was experimental but now seems tame because it's been copied so much.

[pbradley]

I've never assumed that experimental music has to be harsh or absolutely never done before. Experimental music, to me, is discovering music for one's self. It's pretty retarded for the listening audience to call something experimental just because they haven't heard it before. The audience could have heard it before but that doesn't change the fact that the artist discovered the sound totally for his or her self. It appears to me that a lot of experimental fans get caught up with the novelty of something new instead of the different ways it can be applied. Gimmick lovers. Though Rather Ripped is not as radical as SY's early output, I can still hear their experimental results being born through their calmer sound which, to me, is still experimental. The foundations are their own creation, everything built upon it (no matter how accessible) still bares the premise.

[Rob Instigator]

experimental is an adjective, and it can precede any musiacl genre you can thin of.

experimental symphionc music

experimental rock

experimental jazz

etc.

[Glice]

Someone recommend me a Laurie Anderson record. I've always thought everything I heard was tripe, but I've not heard much. So I'm looking to be converted.

Phillip Glass, meanwhile, is capable of some fine stuff but has also turned out more shit albums than most people turn out albums.

[This Is Not Here]

Originally Posted by Glice

Someone recommend me a Laurie Anderson record. I've always thought everything I heard was tripe, but I've not heard much. So I'm looking to be converted.

Phillip Glass, meanwhile, is capable of some fine stuff but has also turned out more shit albums than most people turn out albums.

Your the Guy I Want To Share My Money With with Burroughs is very good, but her real seminal release is Big Science.

[atari 2600]

You're the Guy I Want to Share My Money With (the split release with Burroughs and Giorno) contains some United States Live. Ubuweb has the whole, raw thing for download or streaming.
http://www.ubu.com/sound/guy.html

As essential as Big Science is, and I do recommend it as perhaps her best overall, United States Live I-IV, the four-disc compression of the six-hour BAM performance piece, is a must as well. Big Science, in many ways, is a further compression of this piece worked up as a single-disc studio album.

Mister Heartbreak (a fan favorite for many) and the live (they share some material) Home of the Brave soundtrack are more musical. It's tough to say which you may like best.

I'd recommend viewing Home of the Brave. There's also a Collected Videos release on VHS. Both are, at long last, getting the dvd treatment soon with extras. Also forthcoming is a boxed set of videos and rarities.

One that I think people would like is the spared-down, anecdote and tale-based The Ugly One With the Jewels And Other Stories. It's a charmer from a live concert. Whereas Live at Town Hall is probably more indicated ifyou're already a fan.

And, as mentioned previously in the thread, Bright Red has some interesting textures, but there's more than a fair amount of misses in there too; "The Puppet Motel" from that one has some monster bass. Similarly, her first foray into real singing on Strange Angels (her most in times and at parts conventionally musical album as well) is not all fully conceived, but on "The Day The Devil," the track more suited to her range, the result is particularly sweet. Some of the other ones are hauntingly beautiful though, even if she isn't technically much of a good singer. Somehow, I think that Strange Angels, which came out in '89, may be the album that some of you first heard, and yeah, I can understand dismissal in that case. I was a fan, and I felt let down by it myself back then.

Accompanied by a group of performers that handle much of the vocal duties and originally planned as a release, her Songs And Stories From Moby Dick only exists as a two-disc FM from an '00 Barbican Theater performance, but it's well worth seeking.

The new one, Homeland, appears this summer.

So, that's that...for what it's worth. Although, someone that labels Laurie as "tripe" obviously is hearing her on a very surface level complete with biases and preconceived notions anyways and not really absorbing the "difficult music" on much of a meaningful level. As listeners know, she often artfully employs humor, lest her themes become too preachy (the newest one, "Only An Expert," is much more directly preachy than usual). And as flippant as Laurie may seem at times, she is an artist with a genuine vision and, as an inspirational exception to the rule, she is truly sincere and vigilant which is something that cannot be stated about too many others so conclusively.