[ann ashtray]

Originally Posted by foreverasskiss

i'm not a fucking animal. define animal? my sex drive? then yes.

i've been in relationships longer than 3 years and never once did it cross my mind to fuck another.

is this a male or female thang? most people who cheat are fucked in the head and are totally confused. again, i dont agree with you.

oh, and of course most women in bed aren't the same but which one you want? the one that sucks head good or the one that soaks yr balls with cum? it's still all the same if you know how to teach.

total shit.

You were in a relationship for three years and not a single thought of fucking someone else ever crossed your mind? You're a liar. You can honestly say even while masturbating you'd only think about your partner? Again, liar.

Most people that cheat, or have cheated, are humans. Most humans are not without flaw. Not being without flaw doesn't make one fucked in the head, however.

[ann ashtray]

Originally Posted by foreverasskiss

i hope you feel like this for the rest of your life because it's so true and wise. cudos.

i've been offered just to marry because of sex and that's^^^^the reason why i didn't. again cudos.

Shit sounded like hallmark card wisdom man. Lordy.

[ann ashtray]

Originally Posted by foreverasskiss

well maybe i dont want to cheat because i care about people and their feelings.

sex and love has a lot to do with it. and again, not everyone cheats.

Is sex and love why you and your baby's momma are no longer together? Just a thought.

[ann ashtray]

Originally Posted by foreverasskiss

don't agree. are you saying just because someone watches porn but still invest their time in a 3+year relationship wants more or something else and are bored in their current sex life? are you saying they want to cheat? or maybe have an open sex life with 3 somes and groupsex? or to just disapprove the whole concept of marriage to begin with? are you even talking about marriage?

the possibilities are endless but cause consequences. fucking yr girl while she sucks another dude is not that awesome esp if you expect her to act like a pornstar.

i've already stated my opinions on menage a trois.

No, I am saying people have sexual organs that become aroused from time to time and as a result they want to have sex. Whether they stay loyal to one partner or not is not the issue here. The desire is there regardless.

Marriage doesn't really mean much of anything. It's just a word some people use to describe the degree of relationship they sometimes view themselves as being in. Married people are no less or more likely to have an affair than anyone else.

In support of my argument, Kim herself stated the relationship ended in a typical way.

Also, you're talking to someone who doesn't support marriage. I support other people's right to do it, but I'll never be married. Even if I do one day decide to truly settle down and devote my everything to one person, marriage will not be an option. I've ditched two previous girlfriends simply for suggesting the idea too much. Truth.

And yes, I'm very open about my feelings and opinions. My current girlfriend knows how I feel about sex, love, marriage. She hasn't left me yet.

[ann ashtray]

Originally Posted by foreverasskiss

because she was seeing someone else before i got her pregnant. essentially she was already in a relationship while fucking me.

my previous post in this thread should all make sense now.

Ah, so she was cheating. So in some way you yourself still support the act

[ann ashtray]

Originally Posted by foreverasskiss

no, because like i said in my previous post, i had no idea. not a word spoken to me about it.

Well in that case, good for you! At least you stand by your guns even if I don't prefer the type of guns you carry.

[ann ashtray]

Originally Posted by foreverasskiss

hey, is it also ok to talk shit about yr husband to yr boyfriend while still seeing him everyday of the week?

this is what this chick does. crazy huh? i don't feel i'm contridicting myself because i'm not doing the cheating nor do i fully approve of all this?

but it so good at the same time. i often wonder what she says about me behind my back? insane.

Everybody talks about everybody behind everybody's back. very few exceptions.

[ann ashtray]

Actually, I'm more prone to talk shit about those I care about most. If I don't care about 'em, seldom is the person even worth talking about. I'm not usually the sort to say some shit I wouldn't say to someone face though. Talking shit is fun.

[ann ashtray]

Originally Posted by foreverasskiss

yeah, of course but i didn't go through with it because it was unavailable. and if it was i still doubt i would.....go through with it.

i'm a loyal mutherfucker and would consult with my partner before all of this, but it still would not satisfy some need when i already have something to fullfill that need with.

it would be just animalistic and boring and cause probs.

cheating just equals lying. which is just flat out weak.

You can never truly say (with any level of certainty or doubt) what you may or may not do given a situation. I was certain I'd never cheat. I'd been cheated on, it hurts. How could I do it?...but ya know, I did. I did one time and it felt awful. Previous to this happening I'd always break up with whoever I was with if I wanted to have sex bad enough with someone else. That's stupid though. Why not discuss the fact that I have a sexual interest in someone else with my partner? Of course not everyone is going to like that, and while this approach is new to me, I've found women don't mind as much as I'd thought. I mean, I haven't actually had sex with someone else yet in this relationship...but my girlfriend knows I will let her know if I plan on it. I told her to show me the same respect. I wouldn't break up w/ her. Sex isn't something I take seriously in the way most people do. It's like eating or pissing...pleasurable and vital.

[ann ashtray]

If god exists the way most idiots claim he does, I'll be in hell. Most cool people will be.

[ann ashtray]

Originally Posted by foreverasskiss

yeah well, i guess. you just blew my world apart. letting yr partner know or not telling him/her is two different things. one is called cheating and ones called being honest.

now that i think about it, if my girl was honest about wanting to fuck another guy i don't think i would mind that much. shit.....i would watch or even join in. i really wouldn't care, but just be honest with me.

but this has nothing to do with cheating and mainly on the perpective of what a relationship is which differs from person to person.

That's what I'm saying. It's only cheating if it's a lie. Thurston (apparently...) did something that was based around a lie. I'm not gonna bash on him for doing something many have done, WHICH DO NOT make these sort of actions ok. It's just...like Kim said...typical. People should be more open regarding their interests. It makes things way easier in the long run.

[ann ashtray]

Originally Posted by foreverasskiss

yeah, i see. why does Thurston have to be the dog here?

maybe Kim gave Thurston a reason to cheat? nobody knows both sides of the story. maybe she wouldn't fuck him or was constantly giving him hell about something driving him up the fucking wall.

my somewhat misogynistic side is setting in again, but women can do this you know.

Who the hell knows? You are correct. I mean, whose to say 4 years ago she didn't do the same thing and Thurston felt justified in his actions? Whose to say she maybe isn't trying to pass blame? Why does ANY of this matter to a fan? There are two sides to every story and we've only heard one and even if it's true, which it likely is, what does that mean to us? No more Sonic Youth? I mean...who cares? Lee's last solo record was better than the last two Youth albums combined. Chelsea Light Moving...while not great, are still at least somewhat more interesting than Rather Ripped Off and the Eternal(y) mediocre record. The band seemed bored. Hopefully everyone is having a good time now. I highly doubt Kim is dreading the attention she is getting from "young suitors" (I must admit I found it hilarious that this phrase was used. Almost seemed as if it was to make Thurston feel bad or to emphasis "the upper middle aged woman has still got it". haha...I guess "age appropriate suitors" would make her sound too out of touch?

Also...I highly doubt Sonic Youth will never play a show again. It's bound to happen as there is too much money involved. I don't suspect there will be many of them though. Just an issue of waiting for all this shit to blow over...which, it will.

[ann ashtray]

Originally Posted by foreverasskiss

it's true right? do you put up with a bunch of shit just for pussy?

that's not me man.

As soon as I cease to be happy it's over. My biggest failure when it comes to relationships is my inability to compromise the things that are most important to my own life. All aspects of my life can be shared, very few compromised. I wouldn't give up smoking, drinking, being able to come and go as a please for any woman. Why should I be expected to? I think it's more selfish when one expects another to give up on something that makes them happy.

"Pussy" is easy. Too many girls dancing on the graveyard that is this planet. The younger ones usually find satisfaction if a guy simply has a job and his own place, the older ones if they can still attract younger men (typically...Kim obviously doesn't seem to be an exception haha!!!). Virtually all of them get annoyed if they feel you show them too little attention. Of course all of this can be said for men too. Relationships are kind of gross in a way. But then again, gross can be really sexy + fun. Boogers and stuff.

I'm pretty sure I'm a Swaytanist at heart.

[ann ashtray]

Originally Posted by foreverasskiss

i feel this has turned into a very hard psychoanalysis session for me. this couch is getting uncomfortable and i must leave now.

'Night (well, "mornin'") friend. A bit refreshing talking shit on the old SYG. Not enough hours in the day this day in age.

[Keeping It Simple]

Originally Posted by ann ashtray

If god exists the way most idiots claim he does, I'll be in hell. Most cool people will be.

Such naivety.

[scott v]

I'm not going to make any opinions about either Kim & Thurston, I 'm not in either's "inner circle" we only know what they say to media, and right now Thurston isn't commenting... I can only respect them both as musicians at this point, thats fine and way i like it.

[raiinking]

Originally Posted by scott v

I'm not going to make any opinions about either Kim & Thurston, I 'm not in either's "inner circle" we only know what they say to media, and right now Thurston isn't commenting... I can only respect them both as musicians at this point, thats fine and way i like it.

YES agreed.

[Rob Instigator]

Can't believe that Jezebel quoted US (SYG board)

With some decent clues to go on, the gossip started almost immediately among Sonic Youth fans, with names like Abby Banks (photographer), Elaine Kahn (poet), and Jemina Pearl (from Be Your Own Pet) being bandied about on message boards, but the woman in question is actually 34-year-old art book editor Eva Prinz, 20 years Moore's junior.

[Rob Instigator]

Thurston got his Ecstatic "piece" into her "library"

[TheMadcapLaughs]

i've been around the world a million times, and all you men are slime