[knox]

Originally Posted by hevusa

I see no point in making stupid shit up just because we don't know what's out there. There is enough of that fucking shit up in the world already.

 

science has been wrong too many times throughout history.
science does not know/explain everything.
science is only starting.
ghosts are real in one way or another - one can only begin to speculate.
BUT, there are many other more important things for science to focus on right now.
besides, there are too many sciences. Some study what they call paranormal, and offer pretty reasonable explanations for quite a lot of things but we're talking mainstream academic/corporate science here, there's no reason to alarm all people.
it's all too human like it's always been to dismiss everything that cannot be understood (earth is flat/masturbation causes madness/egg is bad for you/no, egg is good for you, etc.)

[knox]

Originally Posted by GeneticKiss

You are all free believe what you want of course, but to me there's far more evidence for the existance of ghosts/souls than against it. You're not going to convince me otherwise, and nothing I can say will probably convince those of you who are skeptical to believe in them, so in this case we'll simply have to agree to disagree.

I find the idea of no afterlife far more depowering than the idea that there is an afterlife, but it's only good if you follow a certain doctrine.

you call it soul or electricity but it doesn't matter.
it is what it is.
also, it does not imply in any idea of afterlife necessarily.
of course, that would also imply in accepting the idea of chronological time.
but uuuh the loonies can't be challenging us.

[hevusa]

Originally Posted by knox

ghosts are real in one way or another - one can only begin to speculate.

Would you like to be the first person on the planet to present objective information about the existence of ghosts? I'm not holding my breath...

[knox]

I wouldn't be the first, but no.

[hevusa]

Originally Posted by knox

I wouldn't be the first, but no.

wow, you are really full of shit.
there has never been one iota of objective evidence to prove that ghosts exist.

this is fucking retarded. are people really this stupid? next you will tell me unicorns exist.

[knox]

it'd be completely pointless, wouldn't it? especially considering i don't care.
so, now, you do not fucking talk to me like that - i'm not one of your pals.
and i do not appreciate it.

[hevusa]

Originally Posted by knox

it'd be completely pointless, wouldn't it? especially considering i don't care.
so, now, you do not fucking talk to me like that - i'm not one of your pals.
and i do not appreciate it.

No, it would not be fucking pointless. Such evidence does not exist or there wouldn't even be a discussion, would there? Present some objective evidence that proves the existence of ghosts or shut the fuck up. It really is that simple.

[knox]

Like I said: I don't care what you think.
And if you carry on showing me this much respect, I'm gonna care even less.

[hevusa]

Originally Posted by knox

Like I said: I don't care what you think.
And if you carry on showing me this much respect, I'm gonna care even less.

Good job sidestepping. Just as I expected... your mouth writing checks your ass can't cash.
RESPECT? You don't respect the truth, why the fuck should you deserve any yourself?

 

Originally Posted by knox

ghosts are real in one way or another

No, not unless you are the first person in human history to present any kind of objective information about their existence. Otherwise you are just another whiner with a very poor grasp of the world around them (I'm guessing you are pretty young). Just to make sure I want you to know that leprechauns and dragons are also "not real".

[ann ashtray]

Thank heavens science doesn't waste much time on bullshit such as ghosts.

[GeneticKiss]

^Sorry, but you're wrong--Google 'spectrology'

[ann ashtray]

I said "much"...you're wrong.

+ pseudoscience only barely qualifies as science. Really, it serves virtually no purpose.

[hevusa]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ann ashtray again.

[knox]

there are countless things that were seen as lower-forms-of-science. Countless things that no one had evidence of or would believe 100 years ago, that we now accept as FACTS. A lot of people seem to struggle with the idea that we don't know much about anything and there's a lot to discover.
I am comfortable with uncertainties and I can say "I don't know". I could be wrong, you could be wrong.
In order to even ask "do ghosts exist?" you'd have to define what ghosts are, and you'd be so lost there the discussion wouldn't go on.
There are serious scientists working on this, but it all gets blurred because people start adding "spiritual" things to it.
The facts that people DO see ghosts does not mean there is afterlife or that the dead people aren't dead. Like I said, in order to believe in an afterlife you'd have to believe in chronological time. Past, present and future are just concepts.
INSANE FUCKING HIPPIE.
And since I AM NOT pretty young, I'll be ignoring anyone who isn't capable of having a debate without taking things personally.

[hevusa]

my advice... lay off whatever drugs you are on for a while. haha

seriously though, that is a scary grasp of reality for someone who claims to be an adult.

[Pax Americana]

Originally Posted by GeneticKiss

Do you have any proof of the nonexistance of ghosts?

Whoa there... Look, you can believe in whatever you want, it really doesn't bother me, but saying, "Well, prove to me that ghosts DON'T exist!" is not a defensible position. You can't really prove a negative. In fact, that's pretty much the foundation of our entire criminal court system. Murder trials don't lay the burden of proof at the feet of the defense. This statement is never made to the defendant, "Well... prove to us all that you DIDN'T kill those people!" Ya know? So you might as well be asking, "Do you have any proof that God DOESN'T exist?" or even, "Well, can you prove that a flying spaghetti monster DIDN'T create the whole universe???" No. No I can't.


EDIT: Sorry, Hevusa beat me to this point!

[hevusa]

 

The burden of proof is on the individual claiming to have a sportscar in their garage - they must present evidence in favor of their claim
(From wikipedia)

[jon boy]

why is it with all the technology we have at our disposal and the likes of shows (in the uk at least) of ghosthunters has no one any evidence of the existence of ghosts? you'd think that someone somewhere would have got some decent evidence of them right? but it seems that most 'sightings' happen when people are alone and they never seem to get to the camera in time.

[hevusa]

Originally Posted by jon boy

why is it with all the technology we have at our disposal and the likes of shows (in the uk at least) of ghosthunters has no one any evidence of the existence of ghosts? you'd think that someone somewhere would have got some decent evidence of them right? but it seems that most 'sightings' happen when people are alone and they never seem to get to the camera in time.

exactly. same thing with religion and "miracles". No one can ever seem to capture one happening.

[EVOLghost]

because shit just happens yo