[atsonicpark]

Originally Posted by Mortte Jousimo

I disagree! I just listened Bleach, Nevermind, Insesticide and In utero and I noticed that in my opinion the change of songwriting between Bleach and Nevermind is the thing that makes Nirvana great. Of course there is many great songs in Bleach also (Blew, About the girl, Love Buzz, Paper Cuts, Negative Creep and Downer) but I think most of them are quite mediocre. Also in Insesticide is many mediocre songs (Beeswax, Mexican Seafood, Hairspray queen) although I like that punky mood in it. But I think in Nevermind and In Utero Kobain found his composiotion ability and that makes Nirvana great. In my opinion All Apologies is their best song! And I also like both productions, Butch Vig in Nevermind and Steve in In utero.

Yeah, I guess what I'm saying is.. it's nice that they kinda became this pop band for Nevermind, but their songs became a bit too formulaic (which, admittingly, they stepped away from a bit more on In Utero). A song like Spank Thru almost sounds like prog rock compared to a song on Nevermind... indeed, their songs mostly became "verse chorus verse". That predictability made the band sound limited to me. And it's even sadder that they left their best and most creative songs ("BLANDEST") off of their records.

Overall, my feelings on this band is that, when one of their songs comes on, I'm really happy to hear it. But hearing a bunch of their songs in a row wears me down. Again, I highly suggest trying to watch the LIVE AT THE READING DVD. Great performances, but with so many Nevermind songs in a row, it gets tiring pretty quickly, in that context. The best part of the show was when Kurt played THE STAR SPANGLED BANNER.

I love Insesticide, though it's very inconsistent, none of the songs seem to belong. But their "Turnaround" cover -- Nirvana always chose great songs to cover! -- "ANEURYSM", "MOLLY'S LIPS" cover, "AERO ZEPPLIN", and so on and so on were brilliant. Gonna have to agree about one thing... I HATE "MEXICAN SEAFOOD"; I think it's awful.

How do you all feel about WITH THE LIGHTS OUT? I always see it at pawn shops for a few bucks. I am not really interested in the discs, since I have mp3's of their best rare/b-sides and stuff. I just want to know if the DVD is worth checking out.

[Mortte Jousimo]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Yeah, I guess what I'm saying is.. it's nice that they kinda became this pop band for Nevermind, but their songs became a bit too formulaic (which, admittingly, they stepped away from a bit more on In Utero). A song like Spank Thru almost sounds like prog rock compared to a song on Nevermind... indeed, their songs mostly became "verse chorus verse". That predictability made the band sound limited to me. And it's even sadder that they left their best and most creative songs ("BLANDEST") off of their records.

Overall, my feelings on this band is that, when one of their songs comes on, I'm really happy to hear it. But hearing a bunch of their songs in a row wears me down. Again, I highly suggest trying to watch the LIVE AT THE READING DVD. Great performances, but with so many Nevermind songs in a row, it gets tiring pretty quickly, in that context. The best part of the show was when Kurt played THE STAR SPANGLED BANNER.

I love Insesticide, though it's very inconsistent, none of the songs seem to belong. But their "Turnaround" cover -- Nirvana always chose great songs to cover! -- "ANEURYSM", "MOLLY'S LIPS" cover, "AERO ZEPPLIN", and so on and so on were brilliant. Gonna have to agree about one thing... I HATE "MEXICAN SEAFOOD"; I think it's awful.

How do you all feel about WITH THE LIGHTS OUT? I always see it at pawn shops for a few bucks. I am not really interested in the discs, since I have mp3's of their best rare/b-sides and stuff. I just want to know if the DVD is worth checking out.

I may be repeating myself, but I think Kurt was at his best when he wrote pop songs. Of course I like some of the little complicated songs like Scentless Apprentice. I´m not so huge Nirvana fan, I have only those four albums and I´m not going to buy more. So I don´t know nothing about With the light out.

[Mortte Jousimo]

I continue little. I was very amazed when I listened Nevermind few days ago. It sounds still so good although I remember that I listened it a lot when it was realised. I used to bore very easily that kind of simple pop songs, but I think Kobain (and also Lennon-McCartney) has ability to make simple songs that continue to be atractive. I think it´s very genius!

[knox]

Originally Posted by Mortte Jousimo

I think Rid Of me is a great album, but PJ`s "golden period" started in "To bring you my love" and it has continued since then! And if Albini had been producer of those albums, I think they would have been so fascinating. If I compare producers, John Parish is much more producer in my taste than Steve Albini.

Albini is not a producer. He only takes credit as a recording engineer. That kind of says it all.

Hard to imagine he hates bass if you listen to shellac.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cZ6B... 3E70&index=7

[knox]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

I love Insesticide, though it's very inconsistent, none of the songs seem to belong. But their "Turnaround" cover -- Nirvana always chose great songs to cover! -- "ANEURYSM", "MOLLY'S LIPS" cover, "AERO ZEPPLIN", and so on and so on were brilliant. Gonna have to agree about one thing... I HATE "MEXICAN SEAFOOD"; I think it's awful.

Of course none of the songs seem to belong, it's a compilation.

[Mortte Jousimo]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

I love Insesticide, though it's very inconsistent, none of the songs seem to belong. But their "Turnaround" cover -- Nirvana always chose great songs to cover! -- "ANEURYSM", "MOLLY'S LIPS" cover, "AERO ZEPPLIN", and so on and so on were brilliant. Gonna have to agree about one thing... I HATE "MEXICAN SEAFOOD"; I think it's awful.

About Aero Zeppelin, I also think that it is great song, but in that song you can hear very clear (in Insesticide, I don´t know is there any other versions), that drummer hasn´t got enough skills to play it. I don´t know who the drummer is, but I think itsn´t definitely Dave Grohl. Of course for example in punk music the skills are not as important as attitude, but to me drums are always been important. Many songs just doesn´t work, if drummer doesn´t have the skills that song demands. Aero Zeppelin is one of those.

[Glice]

Originally Posted by knox

Albini is not a producer. He only takes credit as a recording engineer. That kind of says it all.

That says to me that he's happy shitting on someone's record then not taking responsibility for it.

[knox]

Originally Posted by Glice

That says to me that he's happy shitting on someone's record then not taking responsibility for it.

Quite the opposite. He doesn't have an input, doesn't give advice and doesn't arrange music. He simply records, hence the 'recording engineer' credit. And if you hire him, you know that's the sound you're gonna get. If a band decides to do that and release it, then it has to be their responsibility.

[Glice]

I disagree. He's Steve Albini. Steve Albini can fuck himself. Fuck Steve Albini.

[knox]

I disagree. That's Dave Grohl.

[Mortte Jousimo]

Originally Posted by knox

I disagree. That's Dave Grohl.

Ok. Maybe he was drunk when they recorded it?

[knox]

Originally Posted by Mortte Jousimo

Ok. Maybe he was drunk when they recorded it?

I think you misuderstood me.
But either way, dave sucks and should never sing.

[atsonicpark]

Originally Posted by knox

Of course none of the songs seem to belong, it's a compilation.

Yeah, I know, I meant moreso that it's a difficult album to recommend - -precisely for that reason -- but I dig it a lot.

Hey Glice, you know Wesley willis? He's got a song called steve albini that sdomewhat resembles your lyrics, hah.

Grohl is one rock's best drummers, his performance on that QUEENS OF THE STONE AGE album was indispensable.

[knox]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Yeah, I know, I meant moreso that it's a difficult album to recommend - -precisely for that reason -- but I dig it a lot.

Hey Glice, you know Wesley willis? He's got a song called steve albini that sdomewhat resembles your lyrics, hah.

Grohl is one rock's best drummers, his performance on that QUEENS OF THE STONE AGE album was indispensable.

he's a cunt.

[knox]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Yeah, I know, I meant moreso that it's a difficult album to recommend - -precisely for that reason -- but I dig it a lot.

Hey Glice, you know Wesley willis? He's got a song called steve albini that sdomewhat resembles your lyrics, hah.

Grohl is one rock's best drummers, his performance on that QUEENS OF THE STONE AGE album was indispensable.

he's a cunt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1BUzoiA1Kc

[Glice]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Yeah, I know, I meant moreso that it's a difficult album to recommend - -precisely for that reason -- but I dig it a lot.

Hey Glice, you know Wesley willis? He's got a song called steve albini that sdomewhat resembles your lyrics, hah.

Grohl is one rock's best drummers, his performance on that QUEENS OF THE STONE AGE album was indispensable.

I've heard some Willis - didn't really do it for me. I have ears of stone.

Grohl did a horrendous version of Prince's Darling Nikki. There are a few rules of pop, and not covering Prince is one of them (Sinead O'Connor doesn't count).

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by Glice

There are a few rules of pop, and not covering Prince is one of them (Sinead O'Connor doesn't count).

Age of Chance?

[Genteel Death]

I think covering anyone started dying as a creative practice since the very early 80s. I can't think of anyone who did a really good job with covers ever since then. I'm sure there are a few I can't recall right now, just not many.

[Glice]

No. Just no. [to Herr Rail]

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Yeah, I guess what I'm saying is.. it's nice that they kinda became this pop band for Nevermind, but their songs became a bit too formulaic (which, admittingly, they stepped away from a bit more on In Utero). A song like Spank Thru almost sounds like prog rock compared to a song on Nevermind... indeed, their songs mostly became "verse chorus verse". That predictability made the band sound limited to me. And it's even sadder that they left their best and most creative songs ("BLANDEST") off of their records.

Overall, my feelings on this band is that, when one of their songs comes on, I'm really happy to hear it. But hearing a bunch of their songs in a row wears me down. Again, I highly suggest trying to watch the LIVE AT THE READING DVD. Great performances, but with so many Nevermind songs in a row, it gets tiring pretty quickly, in that context. The best part of the show was when Kurt played THE STAR SPANGLED BANNER.

I love Insesticide, though it's very inconsistent, none of the songs seem to belong. But their "Turnaround" cover -- Nirvana always chose great songs to cover! -- "ANEURYSM", "MOLLY'S LIPS" cover, "AERO ZEPPLIN", and so on and so on were brilliant. Gonna have to agree about one thing... I HATE "MEXICAN SEAFOOD"; I think it's awful.

How do you all feel about WITH THE LIGHTS OUT? I always see it at pawn shops for a few bucks. I am not really interested in the discs, since I have mp3's of their best rare/b-sides and stuff. I just want to know if the DVD is worth checking out.

I don't understand what is wrong with being formulaic, that's the very reason some bands are great.