[Hip Priest]

Originally Posted by truncated

And, while I don't mind listening to them, I think both Janis Joplin and the Doors are overrated.

The Doors are a strange one - I have toadmit that they were pretty good, but I never listen to them by choice. So maybe I under-rate them in a way?

[Hip Priest]

Originally Posted by truncated

The latter seems quite valid. The former, well - there's a lot of music I don't understand the love for, but if you're judging them within their respective 'fields,' they deserve recognition for their accomplishments in that sphere.

But since it's opinion, I'm always going to sat that they are overrated, because in my eyes they are. Others may well (and do) feel the same way about Aphex Twin, whereas I have unshakable love for his every move!

Originally Posted by truncated

I give Paul Glazby his due praise - he's one of the absolute best hard house DJs out there, and helped spawn Vicious Circle, which has in turn birthed a whole new generation of hard house. I can't understand why people listen to techno "leisurely," but I acknowledge what goes into its production.

I listen to techno leisurely, I find absolutely invigorating (or relaxing) when it's done well, but I feel the same about country and western as you do about techno.

[A Thousand Threads]

no one said :

alice in chains
smashing pumpkins

i think these two are overrated

[truncated]

Originally Posted by A Thousand Threads

no one said :

alice in chains
smashing pumpkins

i think these two are overrated

Concurred (although I think someone mentioned the Smashing Pumpkins)

[Inhuman]

Originally Posted by dietzer123

and guys like sun rah (ra?) and ornette coleman weren't hailed as geniuses back in the day either. eventually the cream of the crop rises to the top in all genres generally

Ra, and yeah Sun Ra was amazing! I'm not sure about the other one though. I can't wait to order Cosmo's, I just got into Sun Ra recently. My teacher has a jazz band called "Some Ra", and they cover some Sun Ra songs as well as make their own, it's pretty sweet

[nature scene]

Magik Markers are overrated

[krastian]

Originally Posted by marleypumpkin

Jim Morrison. It's that simple & I'll qoute Denis Leary,

"I'm drunk, Im nobody. I'm drunk, I'm famous. I'm drunk, I'm fucking dead.
Big fat, harry dead guy in a bath tub, there's your title for you."

What's wrong with being fat, dead, and drunk? But seriously, I love The Doors and Jim was an amzing singer and writer.

[Magublafix]

Tokio Hotel hihihihi

[contrelefuckingsexisme]

radiohead
nirvana
björk
placebo
mariah carey
the beatles
sex pistols
joy division

[Everyneurotic]

Originally Posted by nature scene

Magik Markers are overrated

with the people in this board, totally

[guitarpro]

Any of the hair bands

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Hip Priest

Quick responses to some of last night's comments before I go to work, if I may:


Hey, no need to apologise, !@#$%!. but be fair, you don't know how much Beethoven I've heard. It happens to be a lot, and I'm just not too keen, that's all. And I would return to the overrated by comparison point. It's impossible to out of my league when it's about opinions - we can all state them. If there's ever a thread about the qualitative and quantatative aspects of LvB's work then I'll expand my points a little.

THe jazz thing, two points - Kenny G/Jamie Cullum etc etc etc are pop, not jazz, in my opinion. If I'd remembered Kenny G, he'd have been in the pop list with JC. Only non-jazz people think of them as jazz, really. They may have come from the jazz world but they are definitely now pop.

And, !@#$%!: I didn't expand on the jazz thing because this is a thread about overrated bands - it seemed out of place. I just thought I'd make the point that the jazz world seems to me more able to identify the greats. There is no jazz equivalent of the Foo Fighters. Start a jazz thread and, dude, I'll be in residence there!

You may not like all of my opinions, but you've got to like that multi-sourced split quoting!

Toodle pip, everyone. Time to go to work!

hah hah ok i do like the multiple quoting. so hm a couple of things.

1) please ellaborate on your beethoven experience? i spotted comment that he sort of overshadows other artists? or are there musical reasons? please explain.

2) ive no idea about the pop thing of mr. g cos i never listen to it but last i heard people (who rate/overrate things) wuz callin' him jazz. jazz was pop music during a good chunk of the 20th century anyway. the foo fighters of jazz = diana krall? (& there are many others).

ok. need coffee. gotta go.

[truncated]

Originally Posted by contrelefuckingsexisme

radiohead
nirvana
björk
placebo
mariah carey
the beatles
sex pistols
joy division

I swore I wouldn't come back to this thread.

I've said my piece on Nirvana and The Beatles.

Joy Division?? JOY DIVISION??

I'm speechless.

[Hip Priest]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

hah hah ok i do like the multiple quoting. so hm a couple of things.

Sorry, for my own edification: is 'hm' another internet abbreviation I'm not used to? In the early days (ie three months ago) I was always wondering what IMHO, IMO, LOL etc were. Then I thought maybe LOL meant lots of love. I was wrong.

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

1) please ellaborate on your beethoven experience? i spotted comment that he sort of overshadows other artists? or are there musical reasons? please explain.

Right, I have a lot of respect for noumenal and I promised not to diss LvB too much, so I won't. For most of the people on my list, my over-rated tag came from a basic belief that whilst some of their stuff is or was undoubtably good, in no example would I want to listen to anentire LP, because, in my opinion, they didn't make a coherent one, one that I could tolerate all the way through. That's not to deride their good stuff - The Beatles, for example, had some stuff on Sgt Pepper and Revolver that I find quite enjoyable, I freely admit it.

The Beethoven thing is more of a double reason: I believe that in the supposedly 'great' fifth symphony (just to take an example), that many listeners can't honestly say that the final three or four movements are anything like as good as what precedes. Take the famous da da da daaa away and what are you left with in that symphony? In my opinion, filler, essentially. It has been said in a 'net debate somewhere that Haydn was a bubble-gum composer, and that applies to LvB too, in my opinion. Like the Beatles (to tie in!) I absolutely accept and respect the influence etc, I just don't join in the hyperbole.

The aspect of 'overshadowing' is not a fault I place at the door of LvB in the slightest. To give a personal example, I particularly like Leos Janacek when it comes to classical music. I don't want him to be given the same status as LvB necessarily, I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but he's underrated, and one of the reasons, the main reason even, is this: Beethoven gets too much attention, and it diverts time and attention from others. Listen to UK classical radio, for example, and you will hear Beethoven, Bach and Mozart, with a bit of Tchaikovsky and a couple of others almost to the exclusion of every other composer. This doesn't give casual classical listeners the chance to hear much different stuff. Especially sad since many of Janaceks best works do not need a lot of time (sections of 'Taras Bulba', 'Sinfonietta' or the 'Danses LAchienne' can be enjoyed seperately, and the entire works are relatively short).

I understand pressures of advertising, listening figures etc, bu there has to be some scope to play a wider range. Much the same argument can be made about MTV2 playing Green Day 7 or 8 times day - cut it to four and play four unknown bands instead.

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

2) ive no idea about the pop thing of mr. g cos i never listen to it but last i heard people (who rate/overrate things) wuz callin' him jazz. jazz was pop music during a good chunk of the 20th century anyway. the foo fighters of jazz = diana krall? (& there are many others).

ok. need coffee. gotta go.

Well, he and Jamie Cullum get placed in jazz, but let's face it, to the popular media (at least in the UK), the term 'jazz' seems to be synonymous with 'contains saxophone at some point'. They come from a jazz background, but they've moved towards pop. Maybe it's crossover jazz/pop, but it's not 'jazz' in any real way, not even mainstream jazz like, say, Ray Brown (who is underrated in my opinion).

You mention the F** F*******. Dave Grohl comes from the grunge scene, but are the F** F******* grunge? It's a similar thing. In my opinion.

No better reason to fly than coffee!

I may expand and tidy up grammar later.

[GeneticKiss]

Aww, come on. Saying that you'll bust jaws and 'grow up' is as inflammatory as what you're objecting too, surely, Genetic? I can't stand Yorke's vocals on RAdiohead music, I actually think they'd be good as an instrumental band though. Nirvana and the Beatles have both had massive influence, it's undeniable. I like Nirvana (especially 'All Apologies') but I just can't take to the Beatles. Their influence is undeniable though, I never stated otherwise. I've lived a couple of miles from Liverpool all my life, and as a consequence have had to hear about The Beatles from that side of the river a little too much. THat has in part no doubt affected my opinion of them a little ie I'm just fed up of them! I kind of like a little of their later stuff though.

Okay, I probably was overreacting when I said I'd bust some jaws. It just pisses me off sometimes -why are underground artists underrated and mainstream artists overrated?

[truncated]

Originally Posted by GeneticKiss

Okay, I probably was overreacting when I said I'd bust some jaws. It just pisses me off sometimes -why are underground artists underrated and mainstream artists overrated?

If you don't wanna bust jaws, I'll do it.

[Savage Clone]

Hott.

[truncated]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

Hott.

Airhead moment

Is that a band I've never heard of?

I'll wait patiently to insert foot in mouth.

[Savage Clone]

I was referencing the hottness of girls in jaw-busting mode.

[TheDom]

Overrated?

GREEN DAY