[Derek]

"Chants can't supplant reason"

ME: Okay cool, here is a ton of reasons why then. Here's a bunch of evidence also.
symbol man: "socialism"!!!! venezuela!!!!!!!!!

[!@#$%!]

see, children , these are the actual problems of the us health care system

https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/563519/

thats what needs fixing, per the experts.

it helps to consult them instead of listening to chanting demagogues

[!@#$%!]

chants chants chants chants
repeat repeat repeat repeat
lie lie lie lie
etc etc etc etc

[h8kurdt]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

see, children , these are the actual problems of the us health care system

https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/563519/

thats what needs fixing, per the experts.

it helps to consult them instead of listening to chanting demagogues

So that backs up that the system is fucked. Majorly fucked. It's a system based on one fundamental-profit and nothing else.

"Chants" you're the one who keeps going back to Venezuela and Brazi as your fallback. Not sure what chants I've been saying but hey-ho.

Less of the patronising arrogance too. Makes you look like a moron.

[h8kurdt]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

chants chants chants chants
repeat repeat repeat repeat
lie lie lie lie
etc etc etc etc

See, this is where he knows he can't argue back on any of the points Derek has made so resorts to (oh the irony) chants.

[Derek]

I didn't get my view from "chanting demagogues". I'm not an American dude, a national health service is just another part of life for me. I didn't become a socialist through Bernie nor did he shape anything I think (he's also a social democrat, not a socialist). You don't have a legit argument at all to any of this I'm pretty convinced.

Okay cool, you posted another random article. Let's have a look. Oh wow, the number one problem the experts say need fixed is lack of insurance coverage!! I wonder how that issue could be solved for every single person in your country? Oh and look, the other two problems are administrative inefficiency and under-resourced primary care.. things that people for a for profit system accuse a national health service of also!!

Also what about the vast amount of experts who write about the benefits of a national health service? Or are you just cherrypicking?

Btw, your article makes my point too:

More than 27 million people in the United States were uninsured in 2016—nearly a tenth of the population—often because they can’t afford coverage, live in a state that didn’t expand Medicaid, or are undocumented. Those aren’t problems that people in places like the United Kingdom have to worry about.

Wasn't one of your arguments that the poorest and most vulnerable get some sort of coverage in the end? It's just not true!! A LOT of people fall through the cracks through no fault of their own.

In other words, while insurance coverage in general is great, it’s not ideal that different insurance plans cover different treatments and procedures, forcing doctors to spend precious hours coordinating with insurance companies to provide care.

Interesting how countries with a national health service lack this specific problem. And it's one of the biggest problems the "experts" have according to you!

[!@#$%!]

the netherlands or switzerland dont have that problem and they are for profit and have better quality

[Derek]

Oh my god lol

[Derek]

"We can't build a national health service in America, there are many systems operating at once!"
"A for profit system works because of some super small European countries with low poverty rates and other nationalised services that America doesn't have"

symbol man turns to his family with a tear in his eye. "Guys we got em ".

[!@#$%!]

im for the expansion of insurance and a public option as well as insurance regulation

but unless i cry against “profit” im for mass deaths right?

[Derek]

In a way, yes.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Derek

In a way, yes.

lmao ok...

[Rob Instigator]

I for the complete and total abolition and destruction of any and all private insurance companies.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

I for the complete and total abolition and destruction of any and all private insurance companies.

who’d you put in charge of the inevitable rationing function?

[!@#$%!]

anyway came here to say fucking trump goes all the way to brazil to talk shit about mccain

wtf

oh im on drugs lol sorry he is here haaahaaahaaaa

still, fuck him

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

who’d you put in charge of the inevitable rationing function?

what do rations have to do with medical care?

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

what do rations have to do with medical care?

health care resources are limited, so they’re rationed in different ways

you’re aware of this yes?

[Bytor Peltor]

Obama used pseudonym to talk with Hillary on private*server......THIS is why Comey said FBI didn’t need to prosecute Hillary......CAN’T get Hillary without taking down Barack Hussein Obama II......and many here think President Trump has no class.

[Bytor Peltor]

 

[Derek]

Just because Clinton created racist immigration laws (don't forget the 1994 crime bill too) and Obama stayed complicit (his whole presidency really) doesn't mean that Trump isn't evil as fuck for his more aggressive part in its continuation.