[Skuj]

You see? Listen to us.

TRUMP 2020!!!

(We deserve him.)

[Skuj]

I get it: Democracy can be very messy and imperfect.

But this?

Is America Great Again?

[ilduclo]

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[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

"Beto?" fuck that bitch. My wife is from El Paso. He is a white dude who goes by a latin nickname to get elected in a city where 95% are Mexican-American descendents. He is a red herring.


I try to vote for the most progressive liberal, open-minded person I can find, and he is not it.

Neither is Bernie Sanders, BTW.

yeah beto is not an extreme anything is he? i saw his campaign speech and seemed that he has a faint stylistic approach towards individual initiative rather than bolshevik control. plus he has a small business background.

but i don’t really know a lot

so who is your preferred político besides yourself?

[Skuj]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

yeah beto is not an extreme anything is he? i saw his campaign speech and seemed that he has a faint stylistic approach towards individual initiative rather than bolshevik control. plus he has a small business background.

but i don’t really know a lot

so who is your preferred político besides yourself?

And, he has at least half a brain.

That would be progress, right?

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

yeah beto is not an extreme anything is he? i saw his campaign speech and seemed that he has a faint stylistic approach towards individual initiative rather than bolshevik control. plus he has a small business background.

but i don’t really know a lot

so who is your preferred político besides yourself?

None of them. Every single politician, from a school board member, to a city councilperson, to a mayor to a senator and on up to Preznit, sombunall are either deeply corrupt, or compromised people. You do not have billionaires and corporations donate millions and hundreds of millions of dollars in your name without you being a fucking TOOL for those self same fucks. You do not have millionaires running for a job that pays in one year what they make in interest in a WEEK, unless they were going to use the position to game the system for themselves and their friends.


I vote myself (and I am ineligible, having been born in the United State's personal slave colony, Puerto Rico. Born a citizen, but cannot vote for Prexnit if I am standing on the island. I can vote in Houston though.. fucking bullshit all of it. I am not "allowed" to become President.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

None of them. Every single politician, from a school board member, to a city councilperson, to a mayor to a senator and on up to Preznit, sombunall are either deeply corrupt, or compromised people. You do not have billionaires and corporations donate millions and hundreds of millions of dollars in your name without you being a fucking TOOL for those self same fucks. You do not have millionaires running for a job that pays in one year what they make in interest in a WEEK, unless they were going to use the position to game the system for themselves and their friends.


I vote myself (and I am ineligible, having been born in the United State's personal slave colony, Puerto Rico. Born a citizen, but cannot vote for Prexnit if I am standing on the island. I can vote in Houston though.. fucking bullshit all of it. I am not "allowed" to become President.

but you drive a car made by a corporation wear clothes made by corporations are writing in a computer made by a corporation and your place of employment gets millions in corporate donations... i dont know what is it about the word “corporation” that makes people react like that haha. but anyway...

why do you bother going to the polls to write your unelectable name? you could stay at home reading a book or something.

—

eta: is sonic youth a corporation or an LLC? usually bands are LLCs but some go corporate. see: https://futureofmusic.org/blog/2012/...ture-your-band

[Derek]

Who else is excited for BETO??

Oh, no one?

The fact that Bernie's running and these centrists who pay lip service to the left think they have it in the bag, holy shit. What lane do Beto, Warren or Kamala think they occupy? Kamala is out here pretending she smoked weed and was listening to 2pac when she was younger when she was actually locking up young black men for the same thing is something, how dumb does she think black people are?

I mean, I'd reincarnate Lenin to get you Yanks into shape but the crystal magik hasn't been working recently. Bernie is the right choice to me this go around, especially against Trump. Trump will eviscerate all the candidates announced so far besides Bernie. It's hard for Trump to tear apart an opponent who's principled and doesn't fall for his bait. Warren ran away and did an ancestry test to prove that she was 0.00000132143% Native or something. GOD, SHE TOOK THE BAIT. What is it about Trump that these people don't understand? Typical vapid political moves don't work with him, he's immune.

This year will be horrible. I don't even wanna read the Brexit thread here.

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

but you drive a car made by a corporation wear clothes made by corporations are writing in a computer made by a corporation and your place of employment gets millions in corporate donations... i dont know what is it about the word “corporation” that makes people react like that haha. but anyway...

why do you bother going to the polls to write your unelectable name? you could stay at home reading a book or something.

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eta: is sonic youth a corporation or an LLC? usually bands are LLCs but some go corporate. see: https://futureofmusic.org/blog/2012/...ture-your-band

I work to earn $ to buy what I want. I vote in all elections. when you vote for President there are also ussually 5-40 different items on the ballot.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

I work to earn $ to buy what I want. I vote in all elections. when you vote for President there are also ussually 5-40 different items on the ballot.

but you said all politicians!

but yeah ballot measures are important.

nevertheless i’m disappointed. i wanted to praise the dream logic of your conceptual art

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Derek

Who else is excited for BETO??

Oh, no one?

i am only curious. he doesn’t look serious. i am waiting for a sensible centrist to come to the foreground. yes, it’s hard to excite primary voters with rationality. but no fucking way do i want the gubmint to destroy the economy, pick market favorites, add more cops, and protect incumbents MORE than they already do.

command economies inevitably tank.

there’s a sensible balance between free enterprise and regulation, and nobody is offering it right now.

e.g., fixing obamacare, maybe along swiss lines.

Originally Posted by Derek

The fact that Bernie's running and these centrists who pay lip service to the left think they have it in the bag, holy shit. What lane do Beto, Warren or Kamala think they occupy? Kamala is out here pretending she smoked weed and was listening to 2pac when she was younger when she was actually locking up young black men for the same thing is something, how dumb does she think black people are?

i don’t know. i don’t make the laws, much less in california. but was she guilty of prosecutorial misconduct? or was she doing her job?

Originally Posted by Derek

I mean, I'd reincarnate Lenin to get you Yanks into shape but the crystal magik hasn't been working recently. Bernie is the right choice to me this go around, especially against Trump.

i guess you’re too young to have seen first hand the consequences of leninism but the history books are there. it was a fucking disaster. stalinism was not an accident but a logical consequence. lenin is not funny.

as for bernie, of course he looks attractive if you can believe his promises. i don’t. they’re fictions. macroeconomics always wins. it’s like gravity.

Originally Posted by Derek

Trump will eviscerate all the candidates announced so far besides Bernie. It's hard for Trump to tear apart an opponent who's principled and doesn't fall for his bait. Warren ran away and did an ancestry test to prove that she was 0.00000132143% Native or something. GOD, SHE TOOK THE BAIT. What is it about Trump that these people don't understand? Typical vapid political moves don't work with him, he's immune.

yes this is a good point. i used to love warren, but she has shown to be a smarmy idiot.

i’d like to see a trump bernie debate just for shits and giggles. maybe snl can do one if they haven’t yet.

Originally Posted by Derek

This year will be horrible. I don't even wanna read the Brexit thread here.

yeah... we are all going to be affected by brexit, but some people more directly than others.

do you think scotland will attemp a second uk splinter and rejoin europe after brexit? what about the possibility of irish reunification? im not up to date on those issues.

[ilduclo]

“I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad.”

[Rob Instigator]

becoming a politician is like becoming a priest. You may have the best intentions, but those that actually run shit are busy raping children, women and men, and that stain soaks into EVERYONE. Until politicians actually change the way they raise funds to buy elections, nothing will change. The billionaires will continue to buy elections to let them change law and policy and regulation as they see fit.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

command economies inevitably tank.

there’s a sensible balance between free enterprise and regulation, and nobody is offering it right now.

e.g., fixing obamacare, maybe along swiss lines.

I mean my perspective is that obamacare won't need fixed if universal healthcare is introduced. Most major first world countries in the world have it and with the amount of money in the US there is no reason not to implement it. This isn't a fantasy. A centrist stands for nothing except the status quo. Why put your hands up and go "let's just be managers of the chaos cause we can't hope for anything better!". At least a fascist believes in something, as repulsive as they are.

i don’t know. i don’t make the laws, much less in california. but was she guilty of prosecutorial misconduct? or was she doing her job?

She was 'just doing her job', the point being that her job is fundamentally oppressive and goes against the interests that she's trying to pretend she cares about now. There's no such thing as a 'progressive prosecutor' nor will the left accept one as a candidate at this point.

i guess you’re too young to have seen first hand the consequences of leninism but the history books are there. it was a fucking disaster. stalinism was not an accident but a logical consequence. lenin is not funny.

Do you remember Lenin being around? How old are you really symbol man? I have read a lot of Marx and Lenin's works, with Lenin mostly expounding on the framework that Marx built. That part of Russian history is very complicated but Americans seem to have a very particular view of Lenin. "Communism killed 100 million people!" (that figure is easily debatable too) Autocratic communism failed for multiple reasons, but it is nothing in comparison to the death toll that capitalism has inflicted. Of course Stalin was an authoritarian brute and I love fighting with tankies (supporters of Stalin) in left-wing spaces, but the circumstances in which Lenin and Stalin led (and their motives) are different. I know Americans are sort of taught to think of them as one in the same. You can gleam good political insight from Lenin's writings and also learn from his mistakes from when they were put in practice. The post-capitalist communist state I and so many others desire has nothing to do with Russia though beyond theory.

as for bernie, of course he looks attractive if you can believe his promises. i don’t. they’re fictions. macroeconomics always wins. it’s like gravity.

How are universal healthcare, free college etc. fictions? Nearly every other developed country has them! They are basic necessities that the majority of the Western world has and from a socialist point of view is literally the bare minimum for a fairer society. How much does the US spend on their overbloated military? And you're telling me the guy with cancer who makes $20k a year and needs $100k on gofundme can't get his life saving treatment paid for? What a mess. Macroeconomics means nothing to people suffering needlessly.


What Bernie is proposing is a basic version of the Scandinavian system. I don't think that goes far enough for the damage that's been caused! The question is that can America accept anything further than that right now considering there is a lot of right-wing rhetoric and neoliberal institutionalism that's been free to fester and now needs to be undone?

do you think scotland will attemp a second uk splinter and rejoin europe after brexit? what about the possibility of irish reunification? im not up to date on those issues.

I honestly don't know. No one does. I voted for Scottish independence at the time but I don't think it's the right time to try again. My gf works for a paper that fully supports independence and there will always be a certain percentage of people who think it's the best way to go, but we'll see what mainstream opinion becomes when Brexit becomes a bit more do or die (no constituency in Scotland voted for Brexit so the Scottish government's argument is that we're being dragged into something we didn't vote for and that independence is always a viable route out of it... it won't be that easy though). I only see the Irish situation getting worse, because on Brexit terms they'll need to betray the Good Friday agreement and peace has always been on condition. I couldn't go to my class last week because there was an IRA bomb threat. That's new for me!

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

becoming a politician is like becoming a priest. You may have the best intentions, but those that actually run shit are busy raping children, women and men, and that stain soaks into EVERYONE. Until politicians actually change the way they raise funds to buy elections, nothing will change. The billionaires will continue to buy elections to let them change law and policy and regulation as they see fit.

So you're saying if Jeffrey Epstein offered you a ride in his private plane you'd turn it down? Trump definitely fucked a few kids on that plane, I have no reason to believe he's not capable of that lol. Wasn't there a retracted lawsuit where a woman said Trump raped her when she was 13? I believe it.

[Rob Instigator]

I would turn down a ride. The problem is that super wealthy only have super wealthy friends.





I read that the difference between me and the top 1% of wealth is far far far less than the difference between the lowest 1%'er, (making around $600,000/year) and the top 1%'ers, who are of the Koch, Rockefeller, Turner, Gates variety. However, they all travel in the same circles which causes them to be punching above their weight in the brag-about-my-riches-and-my-possessions- game that they love so much.

[Derek]

Can we just hack their offshore accounts and gut their corporations and distribute fairly already? NO ONE needs a billion dollars. No one needs a million dollars even. Bank interest monthly from a million dollars is more than what my parents make a month. Why are they working 40 hour weeks on unstable contracts?

[GravitySlips]

Originally Posted by Derek

How are universal healthcare, free college etc. fictions? Nearly every other developed country has them! They are basic necessities that the majority of the Western world has and from a socialist point of view is literally the bare minimum for a fairer society. How much does the US spend on their overbloated military? And you're telling me the guy with cancer who makes $20k a year and needs $100k on gofundme can't get his life saving treatment paid for? What a mess. Macroeconomics means nothing to people suffering needlessly.

There was a study I saw a few months ago: almost half of US cancer patients deplete their entire life savings in less than two years of treatment.

Shameful, really. But of course, the US military (which is also our dying world's biggest polluter) takes precedent.

[Derek]

Exactly. And this will get worse under Trump and stay the same with any centrist candidate. At least Bernie wants to deplete military spending and implement free healthcare, it's a start. It's not fair to place so much stress on someone who is seriously ill! People who don't already agree with me seem to eventually agree with me when one of their own becomes ill.. the fact that it takes that to gain a level of basic empathy for other people is scary. Remember when Chris Christie said that a family member had problems with heroin and suddenly the opiate crisis is this big issue for him? Fake fuck. Tons of people were dying in his state because of this and Republican ideology allowed big pharma to take advantage and create a problem that didn't need to exist if healthcare disregarded a profit motive and had regulation.

Just an aside, my gf found out that America doesn't have obligated maternity leave and couldn't believe it. Is there actually any dignity given to US citizens? Jeez. We've got paternity leave here now because it wasn't seen as fair just for the mother to spend time with their newborn. In Bulgaria, maternity leave is over a YEAR. Come on America, shake your big monied dick around and actually do something decent.

[Rob Instigator]

"Beto" was one of the main dudes in The Cult of The Dead Cow https://twitter.com/josephmenn/statu...78730904764416