[SonikJesus]

I don't follow any particular religion. But I'll say that it does have some positives if not many. I think you just don't like those who proclaim to be of a certain religion but don't really follow it and just try to spread it. Fuck them I hate em too. Like you know most Christians aren't very Christian at all. But if they were actually Christian, then they'd be pretty cool I think. Jesus teaches acceptance, love, compassion, giving, and a bunch of other bomb shit. I think the main problem is the churches trying to make money, the people teling you yr wrong fr not following, and the violence that goes with it.

If people just practiced and studied whatever religion they chose on their own and actually followed it I think the world would be better. Cause that would mean they actually wanted to practice their religion out of interest and free will not out of fear.

[ann ashtray]

The religious tend to consider it rude if the atheist speaks of being as such, all the while we're expected to not say anything negative about religious people as it's offensive.

I say what I want. I believe what I want. Prayer often DOES boil down to general laziness. Why help someone w/ something tangible or w/ time or whatever when ya can just simply pray for them.

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by dale_gribble

so make a secular church to evade big brother. you're welcome genteel

already tried. The Church of Mario is barely breathing...

[tesla69]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Whatever you say. Nazism was a political ideology which was actually veiled in esoteric pagan religious imagery, all

actually the Nazis were a occult group, but most of the useful idiots weren't allowed to know, that was the privilege of the inner core, the SS. Because they still at work among the elite, this isn't publicized. Its not something they want you to think about, like with how the Bush family worked with Hitler or how all Street tried to have a coupe against Roosevelt in the 30's. The imagery you mention was used as a control mechanism, much like porn and flag waving is used now in the USA. Peter Levenda has written about this.

[Rob Instigator]

Cults is cults.

everyone is brainwashed to believe a set of rules, which they then feel guilty for not following. That way they can control you, down to the core.

[dale_gribble]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

already tried. The Church of Mario is barely breathing...

you mean mario from the mario brothers?

[Rob Instigator]

http://fuppets.blogspot.com/2008/11/...gy-part-1.html

Yep, that Mario I am the only ordained minister, and there are but three followers so far.

(I am a ULC ordained minister, a Discordian Pope, and a Subgenius as well as being raised Episcopalian, and being a worshipper of big booty women.)

[floatingslowly]

May the Stark Megafist of Slack drag you all to HELL.

Fucking Pinks.

[floatingslowly]

Srsly....where the fuck does a guy gotta go to donate a couch to someone who isn't a gay hating prick? The gay-haters all do pick-ups.

[Rob Instigator]

Beware False Slack

[Rob Instigator]

The funniest thing is that Jesus the Christ states in the Bible that the followers were not supposed to start a religion, just spread his ideas.

The moment ideas get codified into a set of religious rules the whole shit is ruined. Jesus was actively fighting against religion.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

The funniest thing is that Jesus the Christ states in the Bible that the followers were not supposed to start a religion, just spread his ideas.

The moment ideas get codified into a set of religious rules the whole shit is ruined. Jesus was actively fighting against religion.

Nope. The Gospels explicitly state that Jesus Christ started an institutional Church, and established it through His Apostles. Further, a great deal of historical evidence post-100AD testifies to the reality that Christianity was never a rouge, anarchistic, loosely organized group but rather was a consistently well-structured, liturgical Church with clergy, rites, and resources. Apostolic Succession isn't a myth, and while Jesus and His Apostles may indeed just be mythological creations, there is solid evidence of the Catholic/Orthodox Church continuing unbroken since the second century..


Ok. That was almost preaching, but I don't care if you chose to be Catholic or not so much as feel the need to clarify for the sake of historical accuracy

folks are free to accept, believe, or feel however they like, I just want to make sure their facts are well-informed to make their decisions.

[SonikJesus]

Jesus started no church. It was started after his death by people who thought his teachings should be "codified into a set of religious rules."

I do hate churches though and I hated going as a child. I could not wait to leave the instant we walked in. So boring.

However, I am interested in religion and do see the positives of it. Like right now Im trying to read the Quran. Cause a lot of dope people I admire are muslim and there are also some deep ass fuckers who say some deep ass real ass shit who are muslim. Like this dude.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNfQxnRoPHo

I also want to get into some asian religions as those seem cool as fuck and I feel like I could learn a lot of positive shit from them. I think all religions have mostly good stuff to teach. Its just the humans who try to preach on behalf of the religion are sometimes wrong.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by SonikJesus

Jesus started no church. It was started after his death by people who thought his teachings should be "codified into a set of religious rules."

That is simply not true. As again, Jesus strictly speaking is not a historical figure. THERE IS QUITE LITERALLY ZERO PRIMARY SOURCE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT JESUS CHRIST EVER EVEN EXISTED. There is no scientific, archaeological, or any other such evidence to suggest Jesus ever existed as a person. That is, aside from the Scriptural and Patristic writings of the organized, institutional Catholic/Orthodox Church. THERE IS LEGITIMATE, SCIENTIFIC, and ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN ROME AND THE ORTHODOX CHURCH IN EGYPT AND SYRIA HAS CONTINUOUSLY EXISTED SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE SECOND CENTURY. End of story. Such are the facts. Jesus is strictly a matter of Faith. To argue about him as a historical figure aside from the Church is silly, its like arguing about a fictional character in an epic novel and taking it too seriously. So SonikJesus and Rob, I will reiterate sans caps, the Church is at the least an 1900 year old continuous institution, and Christianity from its earliest evidence supported beginnings is a rigourously centralized, organized, religion.

Y'all don't have to believe in Jesus or the Church as a religion, but the history of the Church as an institution is legitimate and authenticated.

And a preemptive note to dead_battery, this is not preaching, this is a historical and literary discussion, surely you're intelligent enough to know the difference

[SonikJesus]

Whatever this threads not supposed to be about the historical existence of Jesus but about religion and the assholes who misrepresent it. That's like arguing about abortion; some will agree and some won't. Why don't we start a thread about it.

FYI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_Jesus

[Rob Instigator]

It seems to me that most orthodox christianity spits directly in the face of jesus and his words.

"The scribes and the Pharisees speak with the authority of Moses," he told them, "so you must do what they tell you and follow their instructions. But you must not imitate their lives! For they preach but do not practise. They pile up back-breaking burdens and lay them on other men's shoulders - yet they themselves will not raise a finger to move them. Their whole lives are planned with an eye to effect. They increase the size of their phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their robes; they love seats of honour at dinner parties and front places in the synagogues. They love to be greeted with respect in public places and to have men call them 'rabbi!' Don't you ever be called 'rabbi' - you have only one teacher, and all of you are brothers. And don't call any human being 'father' - for you have one Father and he is in Heaven. And you must not let people call you 'leaders' - you have only one leader, Christ! The only 'superior' among you is the one who serves the others. For every man who promotes himself will be humbled, and every man who learns to be humble will find promotion.

What are catholics told to call their priest? father. What is the Pope? The Holy Father. Even in the basics of Jesus' teachings the church does the opposite. The Biblical Jesus said that to follow him a rich man must give his wealth away, for it is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven than a camel going through the eye of a needle. What is the single richest organization in the world? The Roman Catholic Vatican, who claim direct descendance directly from Simon, known as Peter. Even the group supposedly founded by the main disciple slaps a dick in jesus' face by flaunting their disregard for their savior's teachings.

I have been re-reading all of jesus' words in the Bible and have yet to see anywhere where he does not decry organized worship and the authority of supposed church fathers. I cannot find anywhere where he states, "create a church around me, create rules and dogma to follow, create powerful positions of influence and authority to control the world." Maybe I need to read further....

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

I have been re-reading all of jesus' words in the Bible and have yet to see anywhere where he does not decry organized worship and the authority of supposed church fathers. I cannot find anywhere where he states, "create a church around me, create rules and dogma to follow, create powerful positions of influence and authority to control the world." Maybe I need to read further....

 

When did you become a Baptist exactly?

[Rob Instigator]

when I got baptised against my will at age 6 months? ha!

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

Maybe I need to read further....

yo cheeto, this is the bullshit they taught me at catholic school:

Matt.16:18-19: "And I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

now who the fuck is this "matthew" and why did he write that? that's what i'd like to know. i say he made it all up for profit.

[Rob Instigator]

the meaning of "church" is a congregation of fellow believers in that instance. those are scant few words to try and rationalize the hierarchical, bureaucratic institution of a dogmatic belief system. That is my whole point. The person named Jesus was actively fighting against organized religion, seeking to destroy the old rabbinical authority. The roman catholic church (created by political leaders like Constantine just as much as it was created by the descendants of the apostles) has turned Jesus' teachings on their head, and continuously maintained the ignorance of their followers, going so far as to disallow the personal reading of a bible in one's own language for centuries (it still takes place in africa and south america where services are held in latin, and the faithful are told this is how jesus wanted it, even though jesus spoke no latin!)