Originally Posted by Iain

I have heard (but don't own) some of the stuff he did with Abe and it is indeed awesome. I didn't really think of Takayanagi because I always consider him to be more improv or jazz but thinking about it I would say your right, he is relevant to this discussion. Some of his stuff is as uncompromisingly harsh as anything else you'd care to mention.

No, honey bee, it wasn't refered to you or Toileta at all, if anything you both strike me as both enthusiastic about a lot of music, which gains my unconditional approval. Not that gaining my approval is something to be sought after particularly much, but you know that already.

[Norma J]

Originally Posted by SonicSam

nah, this more or less is a fact. How many shit bands can you think of from Japan, compared to shit bands from the UK / USA etc... Ditto for movies.

Actually, Japan would get little of my attention when it comes to art (art as in the term of creation).

That wasn't the point of my original post though.

[sonicl]

Originally Posted by SonicSam

nah, this more or less is a fact. How many shit bands can you think of from Japan, compared to shit bands from the UK / USA etc... Ditto for movies.

Our media is western-centric, and isn't likely to pick up on a good band from outside Europe/North America, let alone a shit one. That's why you don't hear of many shitty Japanese bands.

Also, there is a certain amount of music snobbery that means that non-western music gets looked upon as being worthy of some kind of kudos simply because it is somehow "exotic".

[Toilet & Bowels]

japanese mainstream music is so much more shitty than western mainstream music. check out bands like dragon ash, glay, kinki kids or mr children if you want examples.

[ALIEN ANAL]

Ruins rock

[atsonicpark]

there is a mainstream jpop group called plus tech squeezebox that is without a doubt the most amazing thing i've ever heard... every fucking genre of music compouned into 2 minute songs. AMAZING.

so yeah..

[sonicl]

Originally Posted by Inhuman

Not noise, but avante-garde and into the noise scene:

Yuka Honda
Miho Hatori
Cibo Matto

Not Japanese either. They are Japanese nationals, yes, but they're very much New York acts.

[SonicSam]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

japanese mainstream music is so much more shitty than western mainstream music. check out bands like dragon ash, glay, kinki kids or mr children if you want examples.

I havnt heard any of those bands, but I cant imagine them being worse than the British mainstream bands like hard fi and kaiser chiefs.

[SonicSam]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

there is a mainstream jpop group called plus tech squeezebox that is without a doubt the most amazing thing i've ever heard... every fucking genre of music compouned into 2 minute songs. AMAZING.

so yeah..

This sounds incredible, I want to hear some!!

[atsonicpark]

look it up on soulseek

[Everyneurotic]

ohh, when japanese music (especially pop) tries to imitate western commercial stuff (like shitty mall pop punk, r&b and mainstream rap) it's some of the most awful shit ever.

there's this anime channel here and every half hour they put music videos in between and mostly always it's some japanese destiny's child rip off girl group or crappy "emo" pop punks or justin timberlake-like dancing pretty boys, very watered down.

makes me pray for puffy amiyumi.

[SonicSam]

Originally Posted by Everyneurotic

ohh, when japanese music (especially pop) tries to imitate western commercial stuff (like shitty mall pop punk, r&b and mainstream rap) it's some of the most awful shit ever.

there's this anime channel here and every half hour they put music videos in between and mostly always it's some japanese destiny's child rip off girl group or crappy "emo" pop punks or justin timberlake-like dancing pretty boys, very watered down.

makes me pray for puffy amiyumi.

still sounds better than the kaiser chiefs