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I don't know — you're the one who brought him up, asshole.
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I don't like mopey Superman.
do they make these comic book films visually dark because they are afraid of the bright colors of the comic books themselves?
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That's a very good point, actually, especially if you're talking about the customes. I think they believe Batman's light grey and yellow and Superman's pale red and blue would take you back to the Adam West series and the late Christopher Reeve movies and, well, look silly. From Batman Begins on, the DC films have gone out of their way to tell the audience, "LOOK, this is a clean slate, no 'Kneel before Zod' nonsense, we MEAN IT, this is REAL...".
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DC comics seem very afraid of the audience mocking their characters, its why I've been pointing out the super serious loo of BVS. They seem so afraid of the audience not taking them seriously, so they gave you a super serious movie, and from the early reviews I'm seeing, its not successful. Early reviews have not been positive.
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asshole?!?! I call you people geeks and you go and get yr panties in a twist. lighten up man. geeks. lol! you live in a void? you should have tougher skin than that. |
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I've read some definite stinkers at this point, but also many good ones. Everyone seems to be united in saying it's better than Man of Steel, which I doubt. Whatever, I expect I'll be entertained, but I'll shed a tear at the continuing public smear campaign poor Superman is going through. I think it's safe to say there won't be any more Supes solo films for a while, God morherfucking dammit. |
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He's not mopey. He's just serious. You would be too if you were an alien protector of a planet that did nothing but slam you on need blogs. ![]() As for DC being visually dark... Have you ever seen The Flash or Supergirl tv series? They're the opposite of dark. Even Arrow, which tries to be dark so hard that it gets comical, is a pretty light affair these days. And what about the Green Lantern movie? Shit, but not dark. And Superman Returns. Definitely not dark. Everyone hated it. I don't really think of Man of Steel as dark; I think of it as epic and dramatic. It had plenty of light humor, but it doubled down on action because that's what everyone wanted from Superman. And then people hated it for having too many explosions. Ugh. Superman needs to *bigger* than your average superhero, almost by necessity. |
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The Evolution of Good
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Sorry for formatting issues ... Copied from a PDF. Will fix later.
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the whole point of Superman in the comics is that he was RAISED RIGHT, by two loving people who taught him right from wrong, hard work, middle--America values, and that he should never ever ever use his powers to hurt, only to protect people.
His morals, like most of us, are ingrained in him since early childhood. He is not and never was supposed to be a god, just an alien being whose home world was destroyed and he was the last one around. what would be cool is a What If type story where Kal-El is not found by a middle-american couple, but by some sort of horrible motherfuckers who raised him to be a goddamn animal killing machine. THAT would be scary!!!!!!!!!
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BTW, the premise of Watchmen is NOT about a godlike being and what he would do to society. It was, Who watches those who are designated or self-designated as our Watchmen? That comic is the best damn thing and I hate how, once a book is converted into cheap fluff film (comparatively speaking) every talking head idiot takes the films to be the TRUE iteration of the story. I HATE THAT SHIT!!!!!!
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Almost all films made from books are as Reader's Digest Condensed Classics compare to the actual novels. They are but pale imiitations, crafted by conglomerates who care not for the source material, but instead want to create cash cows.
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D.C. have played with the idea of a non-American-raised Kal-El on a few occasions, perhaps most famous being Red Son where he fights for Stalin's Russia. |
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I liked David Carradine's characters, or if you will, Tarantino's interpretation of Superman in Kill Bill.
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The film was fucking awful. I agree that it's not about a godlike being. Not sure what the author was going for there. But it is about accountability to some extent, and the dangers of personal agendas of "good." The Comedian is a hero and a fucking monster. So is Rorschach, even though his character is the moral compass of the story. That movie was an abomination of a comic that is frankly overrated. What nobody realizes about the book is that it's really NOT A SUPERHERO STORY ... Like... At all! It's a moral quandary in comic book form, that just happens to feature costume wearing characters. But as far as actual writing and story are concerned, I've always preferred V for Vendetta. The movie was way better than the Watchmen movie too. Jesus... That sex scene set to Leonard Cohen's Hallelujah. Yuck. I was gonna go apeshit if Man of Steel resembled that piece of smut filth. Thank god it didn't, but it had Chris Nolan as a producer, so... This time around it's all Zach Snyder, and I'm ready for anything. I'm not eager to find out why "Superman tub sex" is a thing now. (cringe) |
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I have to disagree with you there. He's been a Christ analogue since his inception. Just like Harry Potter. Just like King fucking Arthur. But more so. I encourage you to read Our Hero by Tom DeHaven and (if for some reason you haven't) The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay if you doubt the depth of Superman's spiritual origins. He's more fascinating as a god figure anyway. Take that away from him and what do you have? Fucking ... like... Luke Cage or some shit. Just a tough dude, with no world building mythology surrounding him. In other words, pretty much every Marvel character. Also, the question of how the planet would (realistically) react to a person like that is an important one, and I believe it's the secret to keeping Superman relevant. We'd fear and hate him. Times Do change. It's not 1938 anymore. Superman either adapts and changes with it, or he stays in the past. Not an option. Everyone need to get over their gripes about what a character "should" be. These films are just reflective of one era... Sometimes just one year or one weekend. They pass. There will be others. The character is what it is, and it's different at different times. I think Man of Steel maintained the essence of Superman very well without being a silly little joke. Starting to worry about BvS though. |
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Well, there's always The Lego Batman Movie. Voiced by Will Arnett!
http://news.google.com/news/story?cf...l5F X06K_m-LM
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I've read some terrible reviews, and a few glowing ones... But mostly so-so ones that say "there's some cool stuff, but ultimately.. It's a goddamn mess."
You know what's weird and kind of embarrassing? I honestly just want everyone to shut up about the movie so I can see it and tell people how it really is. I legitimately feel like I'm more qualified to comment on this movie than anyone I've ever known in my life, certainly more than some blogger whom I know nothing about. Looks like I'm going to be able to write a review though. Which is cool in a really satisfying way. Even if I hate the film, being paid to write about it as a fun side-project to my actual job as a reporter is just totally and objectively fucking badass. |
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