[The Soup Nazi]

Originally Posted by noisereductions

 

NO!

Hey NR, you like The Breeders' All Nerve a lot, right? Perhaps you could press the pause button on the wretchedness and give Amon Düül's Yeti a spin instead? Just sayin'. Amon feel the noize!

[The Soup Nazi]

Originally Posted by Severian

But I did not know Dylan had called the song “vomitific,” so apparently I’m some kind of crab or earthworm.

Vomitific Theory & Appreciation is the first thing they teach you at Bobness School. Anyway, Dylan went all LGBTQ+R/-R/RW and stuff:

 

Listen to Same Sex Wedding EP Featuring St. Vincent, Benjamin Gibbard, Bob Dylan, and More
Universal Love EP Also Features Kesha, Kele Okereke, and Valerie June Doing New Takes on Classic Love Songs

Also in 24-bit!
https://us.7digital.com/artist/vario...agined-7685149

Guaranteed to piss off Mike Pence!

[noisereductions]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

lol. did you finish it? just to see if you could?

I did! I listen to these things so y'all don't have to. It was pretty lousy. Sounds like, well, Weiland singing over Guns N Roses tracks. Which is not good.

[noisereductions]

Originally Posted by The Soup Nazi

NO!

Hey NR, you like The Breeders' All Nerve a lot, right? Perhaps you could press the pause button on the wretchedness and give Amon Düül's Yeti a spin instead? Just sayin'. Amon feel the noize!

I'll overlook your usual disparaging comments and just jump to the Amon Duul thing. Isn't that a heavy metal band? I don't know anything about them. But what do they have to do w/ the new Breeders album?

[noisereductions]

 

[The Soup Nazi]

Originally Posted by noisereductions

I'll overlook your usual disparaging comments and just jump to the Amon Duul thing. Isn't that a heavy metal band? I don't know anything about them. But what do they have to do w/ the new Breeders album?

Dude! "Archangels Thunderbird" is originally an Amon Düül song, from that album.

[noisereductions]

Originally Posted by The Soup Nazi

Dude! "Archangels Thunderbird" is originally an Amon Düül song, from that album.

Ooohhh woah. I had no idea haha

[Savage Clone]

The album is "Yeti," the band is Amon Duul II and it is not remotely a heavy metal thing. It's one of the greatest records ever recorded and maybe a better use of your time than listen to Some Velvet Revolver bullshit. Trust me, your ears will thank you. I'm dying over here..

[Savage Clone]

If you never heard the Breeders again and only listened to Yeti over and over your life would be better.

[Savage Clone]

Seriously, this forum used to be where I came to find out about music I wanted to listen to and at this point I cannot believe the level to which it has devolved. This isn't disparaging anyone personally, as personal taste as personal taste, but there has been a serious and detrimental shift here. I used to feel I was among peers. This is no longer the case, aside from the precious few that are still here.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

Seriously, this forum used to be where I came to find out about music I wanted to listen to and at this point I cannot believe the level to which it has devolved. This isn't disparaging anyone personally, as personal taste as personal taste, but there has been a serious and detrimental shift here. I used to feel I was among peers. This is no longer the case, aside from the precious few that are still here.

nostalgia is always a kind of laziness. i was gonna post this link somewhere else but here you go:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...5a2_story.html

some choice quotes:

The Pulitzer for Lamar might confuse or anger those reared on the great canon of rock, but perhaps we will no longer have to endure the cloudy reveries of middle-aged men bemoaning the fact that fewer people seem to appreciate the brilliance of a 20-minute Clapton or Hendrix solo anymore. Didn’t millions of us, after all, live out our arena-rock fantasies with the Guitar Hero video game just a few years ago?

[...]

Hip-hop has cornered the market on innovation. No present-day rock musician can compete with Lamar’s astonishing verbal dexterity or his ability to articulate the inchoate rage of his listeners in tracks that take in the full sweep of vernacular music. But superstars such as Lamar don’t really drive hip-hop culture anyway, not when obscure and iconic artists are posting mind-blowing tracks online at a rate that makes rock seem sclerotic by comparison. To take the measure of forward thinking in popular music, you have to pay attention to every culvert and tributary of hip-hop.

[...]

At its best, rock opens an aperture into new ways of thinking about the personal and the political; but in its present state, it’s a black mirror, reflecting nothing. Until rock musicians can figure out new ways to tap into the way we live now, and dissect the psyche of a fractious, angry and fearful country, hip-hop will remain the only genre that matters.

damn!

so it looks like the party has moved on...

[Savage Clone]

Meh.

[Savage Clone]

Innovation exists everywhere. Journalists just want to seem like they know everything. Hip hop has now been around longer then classic rock was when baby boomers started to control everything in society, so that argument doesn't wash with me. And I started listening to hip-hop in 1981. So saying I have blinders on doesn't really wash either.

[Savage Clone]

Also, Clapton was always garbage. Just for the record.

[!@#$%!]

ha ha ha ha

yes. i never understood the appeal of clapton.

but i don’t get hiphop either.

i’m gonna go listen to some dead cubans and i won’t be sorry

[The Soup Nazi]

[...] it is the first nonclassical or jazz recording to win a Pulitzer Prize.

Technically this is correct — recording. But Bob Dylan won the Pulitzer and he's not "classical" or "jazz". He can get jazzy LAMF, though.

No present-day rock musician can compete with Lamar’s astonishing verbal dexterity

 

Courtney Barnett's "verbal dexterity" on "Depreston" alone is better than everything you'll find on that Anna Kendrick godDAMN album.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by The Soup Nazi

Technically this is correct — recording. But Bob Dylan won the Pulitzer and he's not "classical" or "jazz". He can get jazzy LAMF, though.

 

Courtney Barnett's "verbal dexterity" on "Depreston" alone is better than everything you'll find on that Anna Kendrick godDAMN album.

 

[Genteel Death]

That article is the definition of rubbish music writing. It reads like one of Severian's posts if a mainstream music magazine bothered to pay him good money to write some crap about how ''cutting edge'' hip hop is these days.

[Genteel Death]

The same guy who wrote that article is the author of this gem: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...ticle37455129/

LOL. Ageing, posh geezer trying to fit in with the hip hop/grime kids innit?

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

That article is the definition of rubbish music writing. [...] how ''cutting edge'' hip hop is these days.

it may be ‘rubbish music writing,” but the point that it makes about the party having moved on elsewhere is pretty obvious.

i don’t know about the cutting edge of hip hop really—i don’t know 3 shits about hip hop—but if anything, the fact that this genre is getting all these prizes from stolid cultural institutions might be a sign of its impending demise. soon we’ll have severian complaining about how “back in his day...” and shaking his fist at whatever comes next.

which would put the rockist crowd... 2 generations behind already? yeah. i’m ready for the grave, but i’m going under without tears.

one thing is to listen to a certain kind of music because you like it. another very different is to listen to music because it makes you believe you’re one of the special chosen few and therefore people owe you some kind of deference and worship.

whatever is “special” changes with time. if you’re in it for the status, you’re just a hipster.

which of course ties with the other article you linked:

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

The same guy who wrote that article is the author of this gem: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...ticle37455129/

LOL. Ageing, posh geezer trying to fit in with the hip hop/grime kids innit?

well, everybody ages, and we all die in the end, but i read it differently.

i read it like he knows he can’t fit in with the kids anymore (he does describe his daughters’ behaviors as alien to him), and that he feels sorry that his special mandarin status is now a thing of the past.

and while i don’t agree with his conclusion that somehow it was better when it was harder, some of the self-awarenes and self-deprecation in the article was very funny.

the guy demonstrates he knows two things about himself: that he’s obsolete, and that he misses the loss of status pre-internet scarcity allowed him. well, three things: that snobs are obnoxious is the actual first one.

and with this awareness comes a sort of liberation, no? he’s fading into the past, his function is becoming irrelevant, the kids are taking over, but at least he has a sense of humor about it, so his nostalgia doesn’t come across as bitter (or worse).