[Mortte Jousimo]

Originally Posted by Severian

I do think they "did" Zeppelin, not in a derivative way. What I mean is that some of their songs seemed to come from a more wholistic Rock n' Roll perspective, one that relied on folk and blues and interplay between instruments, resulting in more of a "rock and roll" sound than a "metal" sound.

I agree that both bands are based on blues rock, but I see Zeppelin as a continuation of blues rock (well maybe Page got little more distortion than Clapton in Cream) and Sabbath developing something else to it. I think you can hear difference right in the start of both bands first albums. Zeppelin first started as a any blues rock album of that time. When Sabbath first starts you immediately notice the difference: Iommis guitars sound is heavier than anything before that, bass and drums also create something unique, those slow heavy beats create whole new world. Also whole Zeppelin first album is mostly recycling (From Beck Truth album, Joan Baez, Muddy Waters, Jake Holmes, Bert Janch, Willie Dixon, Howlin Wolf, only Good Times & Bad Times & Communication Breakdown are true new compositions) when Sabbath first is almost totally new music, those two covers are also quite unknown.

I think Zeppelin progressed very little from the first album, the peak of their progression is in IV & Houses of the holy, but even Song Remains the Same and Rain Song are quite far from the blues rock, there are nothing new in 1973 when they came.

Also, you can compare Plant easily to Gillan or Byron, but Ozzy´s voice is unique and no-one has sing like him before or after.

I think Zeppelin is just overrated, The great r`n`r swindle wasn´t Pistols, it was Zeppelin.

[Severian]

Ha. Nicely put.

I totally agree with you about Sabbath as a whole. I was just speaking about certain moments in certain songs that have a similar sound to Zep. But you're right, really the two are almost like night and day 90% of the time. Ozzy's voice has a life of its own. Plant is blown away in comparison. Zeppelin had something very generically rock and roll about them. Sabbath were working with something new and unprecedented.

I think we're on the same page.

[The Soup Nazi]

 

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

I agree that Zeppelin is way overrated and generally sounds nothing like Sabbath. I just think Sabotage sounds like Sabbath taking on Zeppelin sound and making it better.. the acoustic guitars, the extended transitions, the over dub layering.. the more "jamming" sound and feel..

[The Soup Nazi]

OK, fine, for you people insisting on making a Sabbathfest out of this thread, here's the band commenting on their discography (Black Sabbath: Album-By-Album, Uncut July 2014).

[Severian]

Originally Posted by pepper_green

can't hate on Zeppelin but, when I don't want to hear them I REALLY DON'T WANT TO HEAR THEM!! GAWD!!!

Well said. I don't really have anything against them, except for the fact that they kind of symbolically represent what I hate most about rock music. Taken as they are, they're fine. But not only do I not want to hear to them when I don't want to hear them, I don't want to hear anyone mention them I I don't want to talk about them.

Of all the bands that have been fucking talked to death, talked into near meaninglessness, Zep is at the top of the list. Unless I'm in one of those rare moods when I feel like playing "Tangerine" or "Immigrant Song", I don't even want to think about Led Zeppelin.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by Severian

Well said. I don't really have anything against them, except for the fact that they kind of symbolically represent what I hate most about rock music. Taken as they are, they're fine. But not only do I not want to hear to them when I don't want to hear them, I don't want to hear anyone mention them I I don't want to talk about them.

Of all the bands that have been fucking talked to death, talked into near meaninglessness, Zep is at the top of the list. Unless I'm in one of those rare moods when I feel like playing "Tangerine" or "Immigrant Song", I don't even want to think about Led Zeppelin.

I've always been very negative about Zeppelin and it took me twenty years to be ready to embrace III and III alone

[Mortte Jousimo]

Originally Posted by pepper_green

I like Led Zep. there's multitracks and outtakes on youtube that I like better than the official versions because of muddy mastering shit. II is in particularly muddy but these versions are pretty clean.

yeah, I like Led Zeppelin. I love Bonham. he's what keep that band together and the one that drove all of them to their full potential because he was the heavy gravity center pushing the others outwardly to heights that they never would have got to without him.

can't hate on Zeppelin but, when I don't want to hear them I REALLY DON'T WANT TO HEAR THEM!! GAWD!!!

Zeppelin III is just as good as any early Sabbath record.

I like Zeppelin still too (I think I am one of the only ones here who bought Celebration Day 3LP box, not listened it much, but enjoyed all the times). But I think the most reason of my Zeppelin fanship is that it is one of my earliest bands I´ve heard. If I had heard then Family or Fairport Convention, I don´t think I would have ever listened Zeppelin as much as I did.

Also I now think there isn´t anything special even in Zeppelin III, for example Fairport Convention did very similar stuff that time but lot better.

It was just that Peter Grant was so genius to make that band so popular that nowdays people just think they also were influental (which they weren´t).

I don´t also listen much Zeppelin these days, but like them always when listening.

[The Soup Nazi]

Originally Posted by pepper_green

checking this out now. and Caitlin Rose.

Alright, now we're cooking with gas...

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by The Soup Nazi

Alright, now we're cooking with gas...

more power grill

 

[Severian]

I threw my back out (again) doing some acrobatic photo work on an assignment late last night, so I've just been listening to the sound of my muscles screaming at me for morphine, of which I have none.

Not super entertaining. 2/10.

Also the new Rustie album, EVENIFUDONTBELIEVE out now on Warp.

[Antagon]

 

[The Soup Nazi]

Originally Posted by pepper_green

I took the day off to play spades and discuss life and be a slacker with my brother joe with mix drinks and smoke some good weed.

Metallica - Metallica
Wings - band on the run
Drake - whatever drake shit
Pink Floyd - dark side of the moon

it what he likes so I didn't mind.

With the relative exception of Band On The Run, that is one wretched unacceptable list! There isn't enough booze and marihuana in the world to make me stomach those picks.

[Rob Instigator]

 

[Mortte Jousimo]

Originally Posted by pepper_green

I took the day off to play spades and discuss life and be a slacker with my brother joe with mix drinks and smoke some good weed.

Metallica - Metallica
Wings - band on the run
Drake - whatever drake shit
Pink Floyd - dark side of the moon

it what he likes so I didn't mind.

Have you tried this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sSLWjRO7UY

I have always loved Metallica Metallica album. I have to admit McCartney solos is one of those I have never listened, have to someday.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by pepper_green

get in touch with Spacecadet. I heard he's got some good drugs.

Hey, awesome idea! Only thing is, I'm not super keen on committing federal felonies with strangers over the Internet. I know, I'm such a prude.

[The Soup Nazi]

Originally Posted by pepper_green

it was a joke! damn man!

That's what I said.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by pepper_green

it was a joke! damn man! that's some scathing sarcasm there.

Course it was a joke. So was my reply.

I don't get humans. Sorry bro.

[Bytor Peltor]

 

[Severian]

 

... I'm pretty sure I'm too old to be listening to this kind of music. This is music for college students with love interests and aspirations.