[Mortte Jousimo]

Originally Posted by Severian

Does this mean you took my advice and listened to some Wipers records?

Yes. I really love Over the Edge. Listened also Land Of the Lost, I think it isn´t as good as Over...but not bad. Going to listen also Is this real & Youth Of America.

[Severian]

I'm listening to Flying Saucer Attack - Instrumentals 2015....

Big moment for me.

Also been listening to KONE - Yellowstone today. Damn good record I somehow napped on for almost 2 months. Hmm.

[Rob Instigator]

 

Love this thing.

 

REALLY love this thing...
"I got somethin for you baby, it's long, it's clean, it's mighty mean, it's always with me and it's just for you child...." Lee Ving is funny and reprehensible!

[gmku]

It's 1971 again.

L.A. Woman & Sticky Fingers

[Rob Instigator]

 

 

[Mortte Jousimo]

Originally Posted by Severian

I'm listening to Flying Saucer Attack - Instrumentals 2015....

Big moment for me.

Also been listening to KONE - Yellowstone today. Damn good record I somehow napped on for almost 2 months. Hmm.

FSA 2LP ordered (one side etched).

[The Soup Nazi]

 

[Mortte Jousimo]

Just listened Pop`s the Idiot first time in many years. Yes, it´s so great! Hard to understand, why I didn´t like it earlier (it was quite the same time when I found Joy Division). Well maybe the reason is that I was same time very in Raw Power and they´re so much different. I think not just the Division members but also Martin Hannett has really listened this and used the soundworld in JD`s Unknown Pleasures. The Idiot has really been ahead of it´s time, it´s really pre-new wave & goth album. Haven´t also listened Lust For Life a long time, so I listened it also. It´s of course still sounded great, but really in a more typical Iggy way. Going to listen the Idiot a lot in the near future!

[Severian]

Future - DS2 (Dirty Sprites 2)

I'm kind of impressed by some of the sonic elements at play here... production and what not. But I don't really understand why so many people seem to think Fu is the new King of Rap.

Judging by the iTunes reviews, he's just "������" ("fire" ... Slang for "good" mixed with "exciting" and a little bit of "WTF"... I know, language is dying and it's tragic), but his actual rapping so often feels lazy and extremely forgettable to me. I liked his first LP, and I've liked his mixtapes, but mostly because of the arrangements, the guest spots (see KanYe in "Trophy") and the heats.

But I think he falls victim to the same kind of rather thoughtless slurring about "xannies" and "Molly" that Young Thug showed us on his unfathomably disappointing retail debut this year.

Sometimes I just think, this isn't even rap anymore! There is no attempt to convey meaning, no apparent desire to be understood, no cadence to speak of.... It's just like some crossbreeding of monotone rap, monotone singing, and something approximating reggae chant-riffing without the melody (so, also monotone)

I'm not sure I'm convinced this guy is the savior of hip hop.

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by Severian

Future - DS2 (Dirty Sprites 2)

I'm kind of impressed by some of the sonic elements at play here... production and what not. But I don't really understand why so many people seem to think Fu is the new King of Rap.

Judging by the iTunes reviews, he's just "������" ("fire" ... Slang for "good" mixed with "exciting" and a little bit of "WTF"... I know, language is dying and it's tragic), but his actual rapping so often feels lazy and extremely forgettable to me. I liked his first LP, and I've liked his mixtapes, but mostly because of the arrangements, the guest spots (see KanYe in "Trophy") and the heats.

But I think he falls victim to the same kind of rather thoughtless slurring about "xannies" and "Molly" that Young Thug showed us on his unfathomably disappointing retail debut this year.

Sometimes I just think, this isn't even rap anymore! There is no attempt to convey meaning, no apparent desire to be understood, no cadence to speak of.... It's just like some crossbreeding of monotone rap, monotone singing, and something approximating reggae chant-riffing without the melody (so, also monotone)

I'm not sure I'm convinced this guy is the savior of hip hop.

I'm so confused too. I'm listening to it for the third time in a row now.

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by Mortte Jousimo

Just listened Pop`s the Idiot first time in many years. Yes, it´s so great! Hard to understand, why I didn´t like it earlier (it was quite the same time when I found Joy Division). Well maybe the reason is that I was same time very in Raw Power and they´re so much different. I think not just the Division members but also Martin Hannett has really listened this and used the soundworld in JD`s Unknown Pleasures. The Idiot has really been ahead of it´s time, it´s really pre-new wave & goth album. Haven´t also listened Lust For Life a long time, so I listened it also. It´s of course still sounded great, but really in a more typical Iggy way. Going to listen the Idiot a lot in the near future!

It's the only Iggy album that I think really grows on you. Not knocking his other stuff at all but even an album like Fun House, you hear it and almost immediately know if it's your thing or not. Positively or negatively, its impact is almost instant, which I suppose was ultimately what The Stooges - and by extension punk - was all about. The Idiot's doing something else, as though it doesn't even care if you have a response at all. Perhaps it was an album that deep down Iggy was only really making for himself and Bowie.

[The Soup Nazi]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

Perhaps it was an album that deep down Iggy was only really making for himself and Bowie.

Or, rather, an album Bowie was making for Iggy to "come back". The Pop has said The Idiot was David's project, who produced it (with a bunch of help from Visconti, I'm sure, the way Mick Ronson handled a lot of the work on Transformer); all songs are credited to both of them ("Sister Midnight" also to Carlos Alomar), Bowie played keyboards on the respective tour (making sure to stay in the background), and I do believe the Thin White Duke really thought Iggy had a shot at commercial success with that record.

[noisereductions]

The Birth Of The Cool
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[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by The Soup Nazi

Or, rather, an album Bowie was making for Iggy to "come back". The Pop has said The Idiot was David's project, who produced it (with a bunch of help from Visconti, I'm sure, the way Mick Ronson handled a lot of the work on Transformer); all songs are credited to both of them ("Sister Midnight" also to Carlos Alomar), Bowie played keyboards on the respective tour (making sure to stay in the background), and I do believe the Thin White Duke really thought Iggy had a shot at commercial success with that record.

You're right but they were both in Berlin to get clean and, regardless of Bowie's (and perhaps even Iggy's) original intentions for the album, as the recording sessions evolved it evidently became far more a reflection of their own quite insular situation, as well as obviously their fascination with Berlin itself - Bowie's in particular. The weirdest thing is that it was a commercial success (in the UK anyway) but I do get the feeling that by the time they'd finished it they'd done all they could (albeit unintentionally) to kill its chart potential stone dead.

[Mortte Jousimo]

Originally Posted by The Soup Nazi

Or, rather, an album Bowie was making for Iggy to "come back". The Pop has said The Idiot was David's project, who produced it (with a bunch of help from Visconti, I'm sure, the way Mick Ronson handled a lot of the work on Transformer); all songs are credited to both of them ("Sister Midnight" also to Carlos Alomar), Bowie played keyboards on the respective tour (making sure to stay in the background), and I do believe the Thin White Duke really thought Iggy had a shot at commercial success with that record.

If you look the credits of Lust For Life there is only one song Iggy made all By himself. All the others are Bowie´s or some others compositions (I didn´t know Passenger was composed By Ricky Gardiner, I have always thought it was Iggy´s song at least partly). Bowie played also keyboards in that album and was responsible partly the production. And I don´t think anybody is thinking Lust For Life as Bowie´s Project.

Anyway it´s quite the same who made the Idiot. It´s just so great. And I think I have to also listen Low again, but it´s not long time I listened Heroes many times and I like much more the Idiot. Bowie achieved never the same as Iggy as vocalist.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by Mortte Jousimo

If you look the credits of Lust For Life there is only one song Iggy made all By himself. All the others are Bowie´s or some others compositions (I didn´t know Passenger was composed By Ricky Gardiner, I have always thought it was Iggy´s song at least partly). Bowie played also keyboards in that album and was responsible partly the production. And I don´t think anybody is thinking Lust For Life as Bowie´s Project.

Anyway it´s quite the same who made the Idiot. It´s just so great. And I think I have to also listen Low again, but it´s not long time I listened Heroes many times and I like much more the Idiot. Bowie achieved never the same as Iggy as vocalist.

Are you a fan of Low? When you say you should listen to it again, do you mean that you should give it another chance, or that you haven't listened to it enough to really have a solid opinion of it?

I'm just curious... Low is far and away one of the best Bowie albums ever in my opinion. In fact it may just be my favorite, though I tend to cite Station To Station as his best.

[Mortte Jousimo]

Originally Posted by Severian

Are you a fan of Low?

No, not at all. But it´s very long time I have listened it. My interest to Bowie started when I heard Bauhaus-version of Ziggy Stardust (before that I have heard just Let´s Dance and something like that and haven´t been interest it at all). Then I heard in one nightclub Starman, Bowie version of Ziggy Stardust and I think other songs from Ziggy Stardust-album. One of my great friend was a big Bowie-fan, so I asked her to loan some Bowie-album. She gave me Low and thought I would like that. I didn´t like that at all and my Bowie-interest went away. Few years after that I recorded from my cousin Ziggy Stardust-album and fell in love with it immediately. Only after Aladdin Sane album I still got is Scary Monsters & Black Tie White Noise (I really like Scary, Black Tie has some great songs). I think the Man Who Sold the world is best Bowie-album. But I am going to listen Low.

[evollove]

Originally Posted by Mortte Jousimo

I think the Man Who Sold the world is best Bowie-album.

Completely agree. It's all been downhill from there. Okay, fine, a few flashes of brilliance.

Mostly, Bowie ruins everything. Just ask Lou Reed.

[Rob Instigator]

it's true.

[Mortte Jousimo]

Listened now Wipers Is This Real? & Youth Of America. The last one is so great, really hard to say which is better, Youth or Over the Edge. Really like also Is This Real?, full of young, fresh energy!

Really have been enjoyed Wipers, Minutemen & Meat Puppets from the same era this summer.