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Marc Ribot is my favourite guitarist of the past 20 years and I would file him under jazz.
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I don't mean to say there aren't good jazz musicians. I just don't think jazz evolved into anything very interesting past Bitches Brew or so. It got either very tinkly new-agey sounding or else just went retro and replayed the old styles. I don't think it could much further than where Coltrane and Davis took it.
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He is truely great. I got his Exercises in Futitlity a while back. Though i'm not certain how to pronounce his last name. Rib - It or Ry-Bo |
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I admire what they did throughout their careers but I don't think they did much beyond repeat what they had done prior to 1965.
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You could say the same thing about any genre. There's nothing wrong with styles being replayed if they are good styles. |
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True. I just don't find new jazz very interesting because of that. & definitely "rock music" rehashes. Punk is just 50s rock sped up and angrier, for example.
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What about free jazz?
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Didn't free jazz happen before 1965?
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Mid-50's I believe, even before Ornette and Co. Isn't there a Lennie Tristano tune that prefigures free jazz? Can't remember for the life of me at the moment what it's called, unfortunately.
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Some some reason the year 1958 comes to mind.
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Coleman started in '59. I don't know of anyone before him.
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Derek Bailey claimed he was playing "free" jazz in 1956 or something like that (mainly in rehearsals and stuff)...
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I suppose if you want to stretch the definition of jazz, the stuff Zappa and Beefheart is interesting. But then again they were rehashing past styles, too.
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"The earliest documented example of free-form improvisation is a pair of 1949 recordings for Capitol by a group led by Lennie Tristano, "Intuition" and "Digression." These do not, however, seem to have had a direct influence on the later free jazz movement."
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Thanks, acousticrock!
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I've never heard of that. I wonder if they've been issued or something. If they can't assume the recordings held influence on free jazz despite coming ten years early, it's gotta be pretty out there.
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Looks like they're on this release: http://www.amazon.com/Intuition-Lenn.../dp/B000005H6T
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