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That would have been unbelievable, if the Soviets got involved...
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10.10.2007, 09:34 PM | #23 | |
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I like yr avatar...
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10.10.2007, 10:54 PM | #26 |
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if only the Japanese knew how to say "klaatu barada nikto".
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why a bomb...why not 3
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the bombs were dropped just to see if they worked, and most historians agree that they were dropped to show the russians that they existed, functioned, and could be used against them. the japanese were already defeated after the fire bombing of Tokyo, which killed as many civilians as did both atomic bombs... the bombs were like military toys, the US could have destroyed Japan through conventional bombing (oh wait, they already did, in fact they had intentionally saved four cities as targets for the a-bomb, or they would have already destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki earlier with regular bombs) but they just had to use their new toy... so of course they wouldn't have used it on the germans, it didn't exist when the germans were still fighting. if the japanse had already surrended by the time, then they would have waited and used it in Korea.... they just needed some people to kill with their new bomb and the japanese happened to be the people that the US were killing at the time...
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10.11.2007, 12:21 PM | #31 | |
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Most historian's agree? Sort of like 4 out of 5 dentists recommend?
That honestly doesn't make a lot of sense to me. They demonstrated it with the first test. The Russians could see how powerful the bombing was from the pictures of the original test. If "using our new toy to kill people to show the Russians" was a policy, wouldn't the H-bomb have been used on people then later ICBMs? That said, I don't think a conventional bombing of nagasaki and hiroshima would have forced a Japanese surrender. The bomb wasn't just a big ass powerful bomb that could kill a lot of people. It was also a huge psychological weapon. Quote:
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10.11.2007, 12:27 PM | #32 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing...n_World_War_II firebombing took more lives and was much more gruesome conventional bombing wasn't effective |
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that is precisely what I am saying?! The bomb was dropped just to show its effects. Oh yeah, the russians had their own bomb (almost) and they could easily see how destructive it could be, but why not just show them how destructive it actually is, by using it on people. and the japanse, well in WWII people didn't care to much about japanese civilian life... in fact, after years of killing on massive scales, people didn't seem to respect life at all.. in other words they dropped the bomb to prove that it worked (on people) at the only time in history they could do it, because popular support was on their side.. they could not do it by the time of thermonuclear devices, because people were beginning to feel bad about about killing people on massive scales. why do you think we never returned to carpet bombing cities like in the war? (because after the fact people began to develop a conscience)
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10.11.2007, 12:50 PM | #35 | |
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No, what I'm saying is that it was used as a psychological weapon to force Japan's surrender.
You don't need to prove something like that works on humans. You see an explosion on fake town with dummies, obviously it is gonna kill a bunch of humans just as well. What would you have done if you were fighting Japan? There is no right way to win a war, only wrong ones. The best thing you can do is play the numbers game and hope you're right. Quote:
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oh, sweet tedium.
I've come to the conclusion that there's no use in arguing with the kooks on this board. a tenuous grasp on reality prevents any sort logic from seeping through the cranium. can you people not handle yr drugs? |
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Exactly what I thought as soon as I read the first post.
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ato balewleta (kind sir): could you politely explain what happened in "reality" that shows my inaccuracies?
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10.11.2007, 07:26 PM | #39 | |
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so the fact that they dropped the atomic bomb months after tokyo proved what? i said that the war could have been won aside from nuclear technology, and that conventional bombing, as in tokyo, would have been just as 'successful' to 'win' the war (if such a thing can really happen, are there really winners or losers when everybody is dying?) implying that the a-bomb was not the cause of 'victory' and that it was not needed to prevent a land invasion, as is the justification given by US military historians... it is all bullshit is what I said, and I stick too it, and thus far no one has corrected me here. With the gun stats, I am sorry, I was wrong, apparantly in 2005 52% of all gunshot related homicides in America were committed by black Americans, an considering that black Americans make up less then 15% of the overall population this is obviously a problem. However, I jumped to the bigger conclusion, the racism involved, like the origin of these guns and also the social/environmental circumstances of living in a racist country, which in fact was founded on the principles of racism, which are perpetuated even unto this day. There is a myth that individuals are somehow entirely responsible for all of their actions, but this is not always the case, especially when there is outside influence. Sure, the black man who shoots another is responsible, but is not manufacturer, distributer, government regulators, and even our gun-oriented society at large also responsible for allowing such conditions to exist where person has access to such a tool of human destruction to begin with? oh yeah, and what other fact did I get proved wrong on so quickly, the English situation of JA immigration? hardly...
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