[Malachi_Constant]

Originally Posted by val-holla-ing

i'm not so sure. the only thing red-blooded american men hate more than women is people of color. not to mention his name is so close to "osama" that most would probably vote against him based on principle alone.

You could have a point. We've got alot of retards in this country.
Honestly, I think he's the best and most obvious candidate since before I was fucking born. Granted, he'd still lose come November, but that's just because the republicans have our entire electoral process bought, locked, & socked in their pockets.

[val-holla-ing]

i was just bullshitting, but you're very right about him being the best candidate since forever. after 8 years of republicans seriously fumbling up, i'd hope america, en masse, would be dead tired of having an obscenely shitty economy and being the butt of jokes across the world. but who knows, these colors don't run and the people probably wont get any smarter.

[Pax Americana]

There really needs to be a "None of the Above" switch in the polling booths.

[!@#$%!]

i really like obama, but i hope he waits out for another round. hopefully all those redneck cockbags who would not vote for him due to his skin color will be dead by then. and then also he'll be properly seasoned and marinated, unlike now-- washington politics are not for the inexperienced. you need to be a sly old fox, a real motherfucking machiavelli, with a good sincere smile of course, and he's not quite there yet-- they would chew him alive & spit him in 6 months, like it happened w/ kennedy.

[SynthethicalY]

Which Kennedy we speaking of?

[!@#$%!]

the one that was president?
he was having a hard time @ the job before his head was turned to hamburger.

[val-holla-ing]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

i really like obama, but i hope he waits out for another round. hopefully all those redneck cockbags who would not vote for him due to his skin color will be dead by then. and then also he'll be properly seasoned and marinated, unlike now-- washington politics are not for the inexperienced. you need to be a sly old fox, a real motherfucking machiavelli, with a good sincere smile of course, and he's not quite there yet-- they would chew him alive & spit him in 6 months, like it happened w/ kennedy.

i definitely agree with you. i'm hoping he waits until 2012 to give it the ol' college try. if it came down to him being nominated against some right wing nitwit, though, i'd have to just chalk it up and hope that he gets in sooner than later.

[SynthethicalY]

O Ok I thought you where speaking of his Brother who got assasinated in the process to becoming the next president.

[krastian]

Originally Posted by schizophrenicroom

i hope ann coulter chokes on her dick one day.

Sayin'!!

[cryptowonderdruginvogue]

 

[pantophobia]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

i really like obama, but i hope he waits out for another round. hopefully all those redneck cockbags who would not vote for him due to his skin color will be dead by then. and then also he'll be properly seasoned and marinated, unlike now-- washington politics are not for the inexperienced. you need to be a sly old fox, a real motherfucking machiavelli, with a good sincere smile of course, and he's not quite there yet-- they would chew him alive & spit him in 6 months, like it happened w/ kennedy.

well thats the thing, the senate can just as easily be a set back for him, it's been along time since a sitting senator has won a presidential election, look at Kerry, he was in the Senate far too long, and his own votes backfired on him

four of the last five presidents have been Governors, the ability to manage a state government is more resume building then a seat in the congress, by that thinking Tom Vilsack or Bill Richardson become more qualified

also, 2012 is only good for Obama if the Republicans win in 08, Obama would have to wait until 2016 if a Democrat other then him wins, it's political suicide for a party if a sitting president looking for a second term has strong competition from his own party in the primaries, look at Eugene McCarthy challenging Johnson in 68, Pat Buchanan challenging Bush Sr in 92, it means the party is already in turmoil and will lose

so for Barack Obama, I think you go for it now and see how the waters are, otherwise if your party wins (there is no guarantee of that) you wait 8 years, vote in the senate and not make a hypocrite of yourself, and become too entangled in DC politics

but i will guarantee you one thing, we won't have a fundamentalist right-wing president in 08, bill frist smartly dropped his bid cause he knew it wouldn't fly, regardless of the economic standpoint, the next president will be social moderate or liberal, Bush hurt the conservatives too bad for their agenda to be re-elected again, so the Republicans are very much in favor of the more Moderate leaning members of the party McCain and Giuliani to be the head

[krastian]

Granted that I haven't done all my Obama research, but he sure as hell had me yelling in my apartment, "Fuck yes! Hell yeah, man....exactly! THANK YOU, DUDE! Who is this guy?" during his speech at the last DNC.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by pantophobia

well thats the thing, the senate can just as easily be a set back for him, it's been along time since a sitting senator has won a presidential election, look at Kerry, he was in the Senate far too long, and his own votes backfired on him

four of the last five presidents have been Governors, the ability to manage a state government is more resume building then a seat in the congress, by that thinking Tom Vilsack or Bill Richardson become more qualified

also, 2012 is only good for Obama if the Republicans win in 08, Obama would have to wait until 2016 if a Democrat other then him wins, it's political suicide for a party if a sitting president looking for a second term has strong competition from his own party in the primaries, look at Eugene McCarthy challenging Johnson in 68, Pat Buchanan challenging Bush Sr in 92, it means the party is already in turmoil and will lose

so for Barack Obama, I think you go for it now and see how the waters are, otherwise if your party wins (there is no guarantee of that) you wait 8 years, vote in the senate and not make a hypocrite of yourself, and become too entangled in DC politics

but i will guarantee you one thing, we won't have a fundamentalist right-wing president in 08, bill frist smartly dropped his bid cause he knew it wouldn't fly, regardless of the economic standpoint, the next president will be social moderate or liberal, Bush hurt the conservatives too bad for their agenda to be re-elected again, so the Republicans are very much in favor of the more Moderate leaning members of the party McCain and Giuliani to be the head

hmmmmmm.............

good points, good points, you got me rethinking now!

however, re: giuliani, have people forgotten before 911 he was a protofascist mayor whose cops raped immigrants with toilet plungers? oh yes im putting that squarely on his shoulders-- he has a history with hatians... but anyway, he's going to wrap himself in the 911 flag and run as a hero not as the [...] who covered up and glossed over the air pollution problem in lower manhattan (asbestos hotspots, etc). anyway sure nobody is perfect but rudy giuliani is downright scary, oh, wait & see...

Originally Posted by krastian

Granted that I haven't done all my Obama research, but he sure as hell had me yelling, "Fuck yes! Hell yeah, man....exactly! THANK YOU, DUDE! Who is this guy?" during his speech at the last DNC.

ha ha yes no doubt he was the star of that convention-- blew everyone else out of the water (more conspicuously, kerry and edwards themselves, ha ha ha).

[krastian]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

anyway sure nobody is perfect but rudy giuliani is downright scary, oh, wait & see...

I agree.....all you need to know is how he tried to get rid of all the strip clubs and shit in NYC. Dude, it's America.....get over it.

[krastian]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

ha ha yes no doubt he was the star of that convention-- blew everyone else out of the water (more conspicuously, kerry and edwards themselves, ha ha ha).

Very true.....he was much more, well, "real."

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by krastian

I agree.....all you need to know is how he tried to get rid of all the strip clubs and shit in NYC. Dude, it's America.....get over it.

 

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[val-holla-ing]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

hmmmmmm.............

good points, good points, you got me rethinking now!

however, re: giuliani, have people forgotten before 911 he was a protofascist mayor whose cops raped immigrants with toilet plungers? oh yes im putting that squarely on his shoulders-- he has a history with hatians... but anyway, he's going to wrap himself in the 911 flag and run as a hero not as the [...] who covered up and glossed over the air pollution problem in lower manhattan (asbestos hotspots, etc). anyway sure nobody is perfect but rudy giuliani is downright scary, oh, wait & see...

i'll forget 9/11 before i forget how nypd systematically persecuted certain ethnic groups under his watch.

i'd never vote for a guy who shares a name with a mythical reindeer, anyways. rudolph = red nose = nose = long nose = pinnochio = full of shit

[pantophobia]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

however, re: giuliani, have people forgotten before 911 he was a protofascist mayor whose cops raped immigrants with toilet plungers? oh yes im putting that squarely on his shoulders-- he has a history with hatians... but anyway, he's going to wrap himself in the 911 flag and run as a hero not as the [...] who covered up and glossed over the air pollution problem in lower manhattan (asbestos hotspots, etc). anyway sure nobody is perfect but rudy giuliani is downright scary, oh, wait & see...

very true, people do change thought with time, and compared to others in the party cept McCain he's not the worst one could do

edit: to clarify, i am not defending nobody for what anyone did

look at Al Gore, he went from PMRC's senator spokesbitch in 1985, to teaching about global warming 20 years later

[krastian]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

 

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Damn, dude....yr reference has me at a lost. What movie is that?

[pantophobia]

Ghost World

he's seems like the retarded cousin of chris lee's My Name is Earl charater