Why is Stoner Rock so called? - Page 2

demonrail666 · 11.21.2007, 05:41 PM

Yeah, Tab is great. As is Spine of God. ALL Magnet platters after those are rubbish though. Not that I've actually heard any. I just reckon they're bound to be.

MellySingsDoom · 11.21.2007, 05:47 PM

Could any of Loop's stuff be considered "stoner"? I'm thinking in particular of stuff from the "Fade Out" era.

demonrail666 · 11.21.2007, 05:51 PM

I once recommended Loop to a Stoner Rock fan. Big mistake; they didn't get them at all.

Stoner Rock, at heart, is just rubbish. Even when it's good. If you know what I mean.

MellySingsDoom · 11.21.2007, 05:56 PM

Agreed, Stoner Rock usually means the likes of Nebula or Orange Goblιn.

demonrail666 · 11.21.2007, 06:03 PM

Heard Nebula stoned and thought it was OK. Heard them afterwards straight and thought they were utter shite.

MellySingsDoom · 11.21.2007, 06:05 PM

I saw Nebula headlining a show, where the support act was "Dopethrone"-era Electric Wizard. Needless to say, I didn't stick around long to be bored senseless by the headliners - though it was longer than when I saw Celtic Frost as a support act earlier this year, and walked out of the headliners (Kreator) after about 15 seconds.

Savage Clone · 11.21.2007, 07:20 PM

Electric Wizard pretty much slay all competition in this field to my ears.
I once saw Loop's name brought up on the stoner rock bbs, and though the thread was short, there were some fans there. One of them referred to Loop as "proto stoner rock." I don't necessarily agree with that assessment though, as Loop seems more overtly psychedelic in an LSD type way, and seem to draw more from the Suicide/VU/Pop Group end of things rather than the Sabbath/Pentagram perspective.

Cantankerous · 11.21.2007, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone

Electric Wizard pretty much slay all competition in this field to my ears.
I once saw Loop's name brought up on the stoner rock bbs, and though the thread was short, there were some fans there. One of them referred to Loop as "proto stoner rock." I don't necessarily agree with that assessment though, as Loop seems more overtly psychedelic in an LSD type way, and seem to draw more from the Suicide/VU/Pop Group end of things rather than the Sabbath/Pentagram perspective.

yeah i agree
i like acid music way more than stoner music

fishmonkey · 11.21.2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sonicl

Is it referring to the musicians, or the fans?

And what qualities must the music have to qualify?

cuz i'm always stoned when i'm listening to Comets on Fire, nodding like the Churchill Dog in front of a big speaker!

AWWWWW YESS!!!!!!

val-holla-ing · 11.21.2007, 08:04 PM

i've never really understood the title, honestly. to me, it implies super heavy, but not ironically metal.

demonrail666 · 11.21.2007, 08:31 PM

I always think of Stoner Rock as a post-Grunge thing. Bands like Loop, because of the very time they were around had an entirely different set of reference points. The only band that might possibly have influenced them in that way were Dinosaur - although I don't think they were particularly interested in them at all. SC is right about the Krautrock/Post-Punk element to their sound, which is something that 99% of Stoner Rock seems to have no link with whatsoever.

Also agree with SC about Electric Wizard, although I increasingly have trouble thinking of them as a Stoner Rock band. From memory, I think that the members themselves tend to think of what they do as coming more out of the Doom tradition and are often quite dismissive of the SR scene. I might be wrong though.

Everyneurotic · 11.22.2007, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

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all it means is it sounds good to stoned ears.

pffff, i listen to tons of stoner rock and i don't like pot at all.

same with spacemen 3, loop, chrome, legendary pink dots, etc.

atsonicpark · 11.22.2007, 03:24 AM

I've noticed a lot of psychadelic bands don't really sound that good under the influence of psychadelics.

Like, I really enjoy acid mothers temple.. but I tried to put them on when I was tripping and it scared me.. I prefer real minimal stuff like stars of the lid when I'm tripping...

But a lot of those slower stoner bands actually do sound amazing on weed. But I hate weed. So, hmph.

Just sayin'.

Dead-Air · 11.22.2007, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sonicl

Is it referring to the musicians, or the fans?

And what qualities must the music have to qualify?

1) both

2) it should sound like a heavy metal band playing Steve Reich covers

atsonicpark · 11.22.2007, 03:29 AM

Honestly, a metal band playing that composition for 18 musicians thing Reich did would be AMAZING...

Though they're more likely to cover pendelum music. Assholes.

sonicl · 11.22.2007, 03:58 AM

Have you heard Acid Mothers Temple's cover of "In C"? Bloody good stuff, that is. (Yeah, not Reich, I know, but minimalist all the same)

11.22.2007, 05:03 AM

Loop = LSD/Amphetamine. They elevated the two substances to great musical heights. I hear much less the dope on their records than I hear the acid and amphetamine. Spacemen 3 were, on the other hand, a smack/acid band, with the acid bit being more occasional than the smack bit.

11.22.2007, 05:07 AM

Swervedriver had also some moments that were vaguely stoner, not least the way they dressed and looked, some videos (desert/car imagery etc), but they are not strictly a stoner band like some of those ones that have been already mentioned. Did anyone name Monster Magnet, yet? Their earlier output was quite good, if only briefly.

atsonicpark · 11.22.2007, 05:08 AM

Acid Mothers did a terry riley cover? I'll have to check that out..

sonicl · 11.22.2007, 05:09 AM

No-one's even mentioned Screaming Trees yet.

11.21.2007, 05:41 PM	#21
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	Yeah, Tab is great. As is Spine of God. ALL Magnet platters after those are rubbish though. Not that I've actually heard any. I just reckon they're bound to be.
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11.21.2007, 05:47 PM	#22
MellySingsDoom invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,662	Could any of Loop's stuff be considered "stoner"? I'm thinking in particular of stuff from the "Fade Out" era. __________________ Snow on Easter Sunday - Jesus Christ in reverse.
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11.21.2007, 05:51 PM	#23
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	I once recommended Loop to a Stoner Rock fan. Big mistake; they didn't get them at all. Stoner Rock, at heart, is just rubbish. Even when it's good. If you know what I mean.
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11.21.2007, 05:56 PM	#24
MellySingsDoom invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,662	Agreed, Stoner Rock usually means the likes of Nebula or Orange Goblιn. __________________ Snow on Easter Sunday - Jesus Christ in reverse.
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11.21.2007, 06:03 PM	#25
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	Heard Nebula stoned and thought it was OK. Heard them afterwards straight and thought they were utter shite.
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11.21.2007, 06:05 PM	#26
MellySingsDoom invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,662	I saw Nebula headlining a show, where the support act was "Dopethrone"-era Electric Wizard. Needless to say, I didn't stick around long to be bored senseless by the headliners - though it was longer than when I saw Celtic Frost as a support act earlier this year, and walked out of the headliners (Kreator) after about 15 seconds. __________________ Snow on Easter Sunday - Jesus Christ in reverse.
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11.21.2007, 07:20 PM	#27
Savage Clone invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,290	Electric Wizard pretty much slay all competition in this field to my ears. I once saw Loop's name brought up on the stoner rock bbs, and though the thread was short, there were some fans there. One of them referred to Loop as "proto stoner rock." I don't necessarily agree with that assessment though, as Loop seems more overtly psychedelic in an LSD type way, and seem to draw more from the Suicide/VU/Pop Group end of things rather than the Sabbath/Pentagram perspective.
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11.21.2007, 08:04 PM	#30
val-holla-ing invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: baton rouge. the 225, big raggedy. Posts: 2,731	i've never really understood the title, honestly. to me, it implies super heavy, but not ironically metal. __________________ please do not misconstrue the previous statement as an invitation for same sex relations or as negative towards anyone of another sexuality. -cam'ron (formerly "no homo")
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11.21.2007, 08:31 PM	#31
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	I always think of Stoner Rock as a post-Grunge thing. Bands like Loop, because of the very time they were around had an entirely different set of reference points. The only band that might possibly have influenced them in that way were Dinosaur - although I don't think they were particularly interested in them at all. SC is right about the Krautrock/Post-Punk element to their sound, which is something that 99% of Stoner Rock seems to have no link with whatsoever. Also agree with SC about Electric Wizard, although I increasingly have trouble thinking of them as a Stoner Rock band. From memory, I think that the members themselves tend to think of what they do as coming more out of the Doom tradition and are often quite dismissive of the SR scene. I might be wrong though.
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11.22.2007, 03:24 AM	#33
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	I've noticed a lot of psychadelic bands don't really sound that good under the influence of psychadelics. Like, I really enjoy acid mothers temple.. but I tried to put them on when I was tripping and it scared me.. I prefer real minimal stuff like stars of the lid when I'm tripping... But a lot of those slower stoner bands actually do sound amazing on weed. But I hate weed. So, hmph. Just sayin'. __________________
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11.22.2007, 03:29 AM	#35
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	Honestly, a metal band playing that composition for 18 musicians thing Reich did would be AMAZING... Though they're more likely to cover pendelum music. Assholes. __________________
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11.22.2007, 03:58 AM	#36
sonicl invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,527	Have you heard Acid Mothers Temple's cover of "In C"? Bloody good stuff, that is. (Yeah, not Reich, I know, but minimalist all the same)
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11.22.2007, 05:03 AM	#37
sarramkrop Posts: n/a	Loop = LSD/Amphetamine. They elevated the two substances to great musical heights. I hear much less the dope on their records than I hear the acid and amphetamine. Spacemen 3 were, on the other hand, a smack/acid band, with the acid bit being more occasional than the smack bit.
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11.22.2007, 05:07 AM	#38
sarramkrop Posts: n/a	Swervedriver had also some moments that were vaguely stoner, not least the way they dressed and looked, some videos (desert/car imagery etc), but they are not strictly a stoner band like some of those ones that have been already mentioned. Did anyone name Monster Magnet, yet? Their earlier output was quite good, if only briefly.
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11.22.2007, 05:08 AM	#39
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	Acid Mothers did a terry riley cover? I'll have to check that out.. __________________
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11.22.2007, 05:09 AM	#40
sonicl invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,527	No-one's even mentioned Screaming Trees yet.
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