[knox]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

I wish Christians would get it together, and fellowship as one communion, rather than let our mutually exclusive cultural, sociological and psychological histories corrupt our ability to see each other as equals.

why only christians?

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by knox

why only christians?

Not only christians, but ALL people, however in actuality, most Christians are precisely the problem in the first place. So as they say, first things first

[knox]

it's almost as if you're saying you wish everyone could be christian.

[Rob Instigator]

that's not what he is saying at all knox.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by knox

it's almost as if you're saying you wish everyone could be christian.

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

that's not what he is saying at all knox.

I do actually, but that they could be united as Christians, not divided by pseudo-Christianity which in actuality is just a bunch of historical and cultural baggage which we are carrying around. God is active. If Jesus is God, he is not limited to some musty words in an old book, or the piety of some elderly priests who can be as dusty as those books.

God is active. If he Allah, if he is Kristna, if he is Nameless, if he is Jesus, then the least we could do as people who claim to follow God is to do just that very thing, follow God in our hearts and not the teachings of men and their books. As Rastafari people say, "Who feels it knows it y'all."

But in regards to Christianity, of all the religions in the world, it is very much become the dominant force, and it should not be a forced at all! So therefore, it is important to reform Christians first, so they stop fucking with the other people and build love and unity, rather than division and in-fighting

[gualbert]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

I wish Christians would get it together, and fellowship as one communion, rather than let our mutually exclusive cultural, sociological and psychological histories corrupt our ability to see each other as equals.

Equality is a democratic value.
I don't recall the word being used in the bible, especially in the gospels, not even once.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by gualbert

Equality is a democratic value.
I don't recall the word being used in the bible, especially in the gospels, not even once.

lord -> sheep

every sheep is equally fucked by the lord

hence, equality

[infinitemusic]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

For you Christians out there, either practicing or family, what is your background?

I don't care, the distinctions are retarded. I'm barely a Christian anyway

[infinitemusic]

Originally Posted by knox

it's almost as if you're saying you wish everyone could be christian.

Quit purposefully reading stupid shit into his posts, Knox. Also, if he did think that, there would be nothing wrong with it. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and most atheists I've met are at least as militant about their nonfaith as fucking redneck christians are about their so-called faith.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by gualbert

Equality is a democratic value.
I don't recall the word being used in the bible, especially in the gospels, not even once.

not to bible thump (cuz I just explicitly posted that God is not stuck in the pages of some musty old book) but you asked specifically
2 Corinthians 8

"Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality.

Originally Posted by infinitemusic

the distinctions are retarded.

But my friend, that is entirely the point of this thread to begin with! thank you for posting something so obvious that many people miss it altogether

[Inhuman]

Before subscribing to agnosticism, I used to be an altar boy at an Anglican church when I was 12.

[knox]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

I do actually, but that they could be united as Christians, not divided by pseudo-Christianity which in actuality is just a bunch of historical and cultural baggage which we are carrying around. God is active. If Jesus is God, he is not limited to some musty words in an old book, or the piety of some elderly priests who can be as dusty as those books.

God is active. If he Allah, if he is Kristna, if he is Nameless, if he is Jesus, then the least we could do as people who claim to follow God is to do just that very thing, follow God in our hearts and not the teachings of men and their books. As Rastafari people say, "Who feels it knows it y'all."

But in regards to Christianity, of all the religions in the world, it is very much become the dominant force, and it should not be a forced at all! So therefore, it is important to reform Christians first, so they stop fucking with the other people and build love and unity, rather than division and in-fighting

I see you mean well but honestly it seems you are being bias.

It´s important that people learn how to tolerate their differences rather than having their beliefs unified.

[Genteel Death]

Infinitemusic: ''I am a retard who makes fuck all sense, but I'll make fuck all sense louder than you, and pepper it with fucks for more retarded effect''

[knox]

Originally Posted by infinitemusic

Quit purposefully reading stupid shit into his posts, Knox. Also, if he did think that, there would be nothing wrong with it. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and most atheists I've met are at least as militant about their nonfaith as fucking redneck christians are about their so-called faith.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, so it would be wise that they would wish to keep it that way rather than wishing everyone else would think like them?

It's funny because I said the same thing about some atheists somwhere on this forum and it was a long discussion, and now you assume I am one of them.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by knox

I see you mean well but honestly it seems you are being bias.

It´s important that people learn how to tolerate their differences rather than having their beliefs unified.

my friend, if the Christians can't even get their shit together, how could they STOP fucking up the world? I will concede whole-heartedly that so-called Christians have fucked up A LOT of shit in the past 1500 odd years of their religion being legitimized. For Christ's sake, its not even Jews or Arabs who cause all the problems in the mideast, it is Christian Zionists instigators who believe the Bible should dictate international politics

what you misunderstand, is that what I am seeking is the very tolerance you are asking, because amongst Christians, there is TOO MUCH needless division based upon ignorance, bigotry and intolerance, and if you can't keep your own house in order is it a wonder that you go around fucking up everyone elses?

[knox]

I understand what you are saying, I just don't think unified christianity is the answer.

[pokkeherrie]

my mother was raised catholic, my father raised protestant.
i've been brought up without any religion and i'm not baptised either.

i believe in science and evolution and i've never had any longing for religion or spirituality, yet i wouldn't call myself an atheist. i'd say i'm agnostic. not because i believe that there might be a god or anything, but because i could never prove his non-existence either, so i have no reason to deny his possible existence or hold any claims to the absolute truth... people who do so are exactly the ones who'll annoy the hell out of me in religious discussions.

(p.s. why does the thread title only address christian denominations?)

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by pokkeherrie

.

(p.s. why does the thread title only address christian denominations?)

because it is a survey/discussion on Christianity. I did not want to have a religion thread specifically, if anything i didn't want to talk about religion at all, rather the cultural and historical bullshit we self-servingly masquerade as religion

Originally Posted by knox

I understand what you are saying, I just don't think unified christianity is the answer.

unification of ALL people is the answer to the problem of fragmentation and division amongst man and man. If people draw lines in the sand with each other, they are divided. We must simply stop drawing these lines, whether it be an 'atheist' dividing from religious, a Jew/Christian dividing from Muslims, a Muslim dividing from Hindus, or Baptists dividing from Catholics, Pentecostals dividing from Orthodox. We need to come together, not splinter away. The more we splinter, the more we divide, means the more we will fight and suffer.

The reality is as I said before, most people profess not a religion, but a system of cultural and historical baggage. Throw out the baggage that divides, and open up you heart. Stop thinking, start feeling.

[Dr. Eugene Felikson]

Originally Posted by infinitemusic

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and most atheists I've met are at least as militant about their nonfaith as fucking redneck christians are about their so-called faith.

Amen.

[knox]

Like I said, I understand exactly what you are saying. Personally, I think the answer to that is to effectively guarantee everyone's rights to individuality and choice, separating religion from laws and politics completely.

To a certain extent, it would be better if all of us would see religion as a personal thing that doesn't have to interfere in the way we treat each other as citizens.

For that we need more education and tolerance, and perhaps making religion more unified and strong would actually go the opposite way.

It has been happening. A lot of progress the "democratic" world has achieved in terms of freedom and equality has been cancelled lately due to the growing power of certain "churches" and their mix with politics.