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06.06.2007, 08:48 AM | #23 |
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How so? Hendrix used feedback in ways never before heard. The velvets were most certainly, from what i ahve read, influenced by Jimi's guitar. I have also read articles where they bad mouth jimi but that is because the velvet underground members are self-admitted snot asshole new yorkers who will talk shit about something just to make themselves seem even cooler.
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don't worry, I was talking about buzzo's post.
I don't slander Hendrix influence, man. |
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Not only The Velvet Underground and Jimi Hendrix are unrelated, but listening to Les Razilles Denudes sometimes makes me think that perhaps there was no need for The Jesus And Mary Chain either. You were made to pay a fine for playing a blues scale in the Velvets , so I don't know what you mean with statements like that.
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Spot on Mr. Instigator. Greatness is measured not just by his technical ability, but by the innovations he made within his chosen art form and his influence on his peers and the generations of musicians ( not just guitarists ) that came after him. On all three counts Hendrix is head and shoulders above every other guitarist I can think of so, yes I think Hendrix was the best guitarist ever.
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There was never any need for the J&MC. anyone who sclupted feedback AFTER Jimi, owes a debt to JIMI and you know it sarramkrop come on. Lou Reed used to frequent all o Jimi's NYC gigs. he stormed out of one becausd eof DEEP JEALOUSY, disguised as petty faggotry
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Where did you read that? Lou Reed wote an article where he praises Jimi Hendrix, sure, but The Velvet Underground acknowledged The Who or even the cruder bits of The Rolling Stones as vague rock influences. I appreciate Jimi's talent, no problem with that, but he simply wasn't the most revolutionary musician at the time.
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he was the most revolutionary electric guitarist at the time for sure man.
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Answer my question, Roberta. Where did you read about Lou Reed storming off a Hendrix gig in a fit of jelousy?
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The majority of musicians were jealous of Hendrix back in his day; everyone knew he was so much better than they were. Hendrix made them all look like pretentious fools by comparison. |
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06.06.2007, 10:44 AM | #32 | |
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haha there were tonnes of awesome gurners/guitarists out there even before mr hendrix. I think he was awesome solo guitarist on both levels of influential innovations he made and his technical ability, but on them same full two levels I also think mr mascis equals out with him. Put it this way, if mascis and hendrix dueled it out in some hilly meadows with huge marshall stacks opposing each other, I think they'd both draw their guitars and turn around at the same time, then we'd have two dead guitar heroes or in this reality, another dead guitar hero and they'd be lying down dead opposite each other with a never ending increase of roaring feedback, the roar of two big dinosaurs, now dead. |
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that's a laugh
a sampling of the reaction to Hendrix Jeff Beck: "I suppose I have to give up the guitar now." (paraphrase) Pete Townsend (to Eric Clapton): "What are we going to do about this?" Neil Young: "There's nobody even in the same building as that guy (Hendrix)." Eric Clapton: "Is he really that good?" (after being joined onstage by Jimi doing "Killing Floor" and leaving the stage in complete frustration) |
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Didn't you claim that The Beatles influenced The Velvet Underground, once? Talk about having your head up your arse. |
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06.06.2007, 10:54 AM | #35 |
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Yeah, the Velvets were hermetically sealed away in a time capsule until they made their first album.
And, as for your feeble attempt at a sleight, no, I've never mentioned that specifically anyway, resident cornball. |
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Whatever. Didn't you also claim that Thurston Moore hated all disco music, once? Fucking hell, you have a habit of making these grandiose statements that are just your own assumptions and nothing more.
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06.06.2007, 11:02 AM | #37 | |
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Why? It's just about being cognizant of and giving the respect that's due. I don't know why you have to bring in all this other baggage when it's merely a plain fact to anyone that knows anything about playing a guitar. |
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I've mentioned that Thurston Moore hates NIN before and implied that he hated most "electronic" rock...electronica...which is something he stated in, I think, a SPIN magazine interview in the '90s. In the same article, he said he liked Elastica okay though. As for whatever else you're driving after, maybe you should stop attributing these "grandiose statements that are just (my) own assumptions and nothing more," because they are obviously just your own assumptions and nothing more. |
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I've read that, but you still posted on here that he hated disco music and not 'electronic' rock.
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To say that a band are influenced by other bands or musicians is one thing, and I'm sure that to a certain degree Lou Reed heard and considered what Hendrix was doing. But to say that the Velvet's wouldn't have existed without him is frankly absurd considering that a massive bulk of their influences came from elsewhere.
Hendrix was undoubtedy responsible for changing vast swathes of rock music, but not all of it. |
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