[gmku]

I say who needs the police anymore. The hell with law and order. Go ahead, make my day, motherfucker!

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Originally Posted by tesla69

Another thing I find disturbing is the censorship by police. They determine what material gets released. As has been shown time and again the police cannot be trusted with information (i.e., editing police videos so the illegal stuff is cut out). There is no alleged national security involved here, unlike the FBI refusing to release 9/11 videos etc. We see how the cops covered up Columbine (were half the kids there killed by other cops?) - what about all the eyewitness reports of additional killers they seemingly ignored?

yes, but in a perfect conspiracy world, the kid was programmed to commit those murders & is nothing but a pawn of the illuminati, so national security is sure at stake, right? besides, it wasn't him, but a body double who committed those murders & then shot the real suspect in the head.

this was done to distract from the depar

tment of justice hearings of course. as we know, further public attention would uncover the fact that the new DAs have been put in place to coordinate a very large drug smuggling operation the likes of which this country has never seen.

no????????????????????????

[Pookie]

Dumb Americans.

You should all have guns, stand around in a circle, and kill each other Reservoir Dogs style.

[gmku]

Originally Posted by Pookie

Dumb Americans.

You should all have guns, stand around in a circle, and kill each other Reservoir Dogs style.

It's what we deserve.

Before we do, I think I'll move to Switzerland or Amsterdam. Guns, um... suck.

I was being facetious in my remarks in the earlier post, of course. Contrary to the impression you'll get from our media, many Americans are concerned about our ineffective gun laws. I've long been a firm believer in stronger gun laws. I don't even like the idea of hunters having guns. The bottom line is, guns kill, in both purposeful and accidental use. Only the police should carry weapons, but if we had much tougher gun laws, there'd also be less reason for them to carry guns as well.

[Rob Instigator]

i would rather save more lived by installing breathalizers in all vehicles like they do fro drunks and make everyone breathj into it befor edriving. that would gUARANTEE save over 100 THOUSAND lives in the USA every year, AT LEAST.

banning guns would save what, maybe a thousand? maybe 800?

[gmku]

Originally Posted by swa(y)

if it was mandatory for all teachers to carry guns (stupid idea, i know, but hear me out)....that shit wouldnt have happened. well, we wouldnt have 32 deaths/15 wounded.

but no, i dont expect teachers to carry guns, but if they did.....

Really? So you're saying the average prof would be quick enough on the draw to prevent this? Does that mean all teachers should qualify at a certain marksmanship level before they can get in front of a classroom?

What about McDonald's cashiers? Postal workers?--oh, there's a good one for carrying guns!

This is absurd.

[gmku]

Quoting from a Reuters story, to illustrate how stupid Americans are. I don't want to move to Portland anymore. I want the fuck out of this crazy-ass country.

Guns are an integral part of America's often-violent culture. Americans are among the world's most heavily armed people, and the country has among the highest murder rates.
There are an estimated 250 million privately owned guns in the United States, which has a population of about 300 million. About 30,000 people a year die from gun wounds, about evenly split between murders and suicides.
Polls show Americans favor tougher gun laws. But gun-rights groups have helped stop such action by rallying their members, many of them hunters, against it.
Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America said the shootings that left 33 people dead, including the assailant, at Virginia Tech on Monday showed gun bans are the problem, not the solution.
"Isn't it interesting that Utah and Oregon are the only two states that allow faculty to carry guns. And isn't it interesting that you haven't read about any school or university shootings in Utah and Oregon," Pratt said.

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[gmku]

Originally Posted by swa(y)

no i dont gmku...which is why i said it was a stupid idea.

but if it were to be the case...i guarentee ya a teacher woulda shot that dudes ass.

Okay, I missed that.

Maybe, maybe not. What if a teacher isn't good aiming a gun and misses and hits a bystander student?

What if a teacher is philosophically against carrying a gun?

And whose to say students have a monopoly on psychological problems? What if a teacher goes off the deep end one day and shoots his or her classroom full of students then walks down the hallway and takes out other classrooms?

[gmku]

According to reuters, almost all Americans are armed. I find that incredibly frightening.

[Pookie]

Originally Posted by Pookie

Dumb Americans.

You should all have guns, stand around in a circle, and kill each other Reservoir Dogs style.

Obviously not all Americans. Just the dumb ones who've all shown their dumbness in this thread.

[Pookie]

The point is, in America this shit does happen every day, just not on this scale. And there's too many dumb Americans who don't want to do anything about it.

[Rob Instigator]

so about 15thou die each year from gun related shootings? does that count the numbers cops kill with their guns? feds? swat teams? I bet it does. that 30 thou number is even split between gun detahs and suicides. they throw that shit in like having no guns would make it harder for people to kill themselves. bullshit I say. More college students (around 1200 a year) kill themselves every year than the entirety of gun deaths at schools in the last 200 years.

overreaction.

[Pookie]

There are 200 million privately owned guns in America. Fucking dumb fucking Americans.

[gmku]

Sway, So Reuters made it up? 250 million out of 300 million Americans own guns, according to their news story. That's roughly 83 percent of us. That's a lot.

And your last point--exactly. So what's all the supposed controversy and blame about keeping campuses safer? Since it was an isolated incident, all the reaction seems really alarmist to me. You can't predict or prevent the unexpected. But you can address the root cause--which means not only addressing gun ownership (which I see really as more a symptom of our sick society) but also understanding the reasons our society is so violent.

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by Pookie

The point is, in America this shit does happen every day, just not on this scale. And there's too many dumb Americans who don't want to do anything about it.

school shootings do NOT happen every day in america.

VIOLENCE does, and it is not because of guns. it is because of our culture. and banning guns would do nothing for the drive that makes some people want to kill

the US has directly or indirectly caused over 120 THOUSAND deaths of men women and chuildren in Iraq over the past 5 years. where is the outrage and crybaby tears about that?

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

so about 15thou die each year from gun related shootings? does that count the numbers cops kill with their guns? feds? swat teams? I bet it does. that 30 thou number is even split between gun detahs and suicides. they throw that shit in like having no guns would make it harder for people to kill themselves. bullshit I say. More college students (around 1200 a year) kill themselves every year than the entirety of gun deaths at schools in the last 200 years.

overreaction.

30,000 deaths is about 82 a day

15,000 is about 41 a day

more people died from guns outside the school any day than died inside.

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ps im outraged about iraq. but the death toll is over 600,000 if you believe the lancet rather than the stoophid american media

bush and the neocons are a bunch of mass-murdering assholes.

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by Pookie

There are 200 million privately owned guns in America. Fucking dumb fucking Americans.

most gun owners own more than one weapon. just like any collector owns more than one of their collection.

guns are TOOLS.

never ever shift the blam efrom the indivudual to the weapon that individual chooses to use to kill.

it is stupid, easy, and flawed to do so.

[gmku]

Originally Posted by Pookie

There are 200 million privately owned guns in America. Fucking dumb fucking Americans.

You're generalizing, of course. A few of us are still sane over here.

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

most gun owners own more than one weapon. just like any collector owns more than one of their collection.

guns are TOOLS.

never ever shift the blam efrom the indivudual to the weapon that individual chooses to use to kill.

it is stupid, easy, and flawed to do so.

so nuclear weapons, or daisy cutters, or mustard gas, or nerve gas, or napalm, or weapons-grade anthrax... they are innocent?

[gmku]

Guns, weapons, enable the killer to kill. I'm not blaming the weapon. I'm blaming the easy access to them that has caused their widespread proliferation.