[ThePits]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

interesting fact(oid)s. what does "black" mean, in this context?

Afro-carribean

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by ThePits

Afro-carribean

you mean jamaicans? the kind that were brought to drive england's buses after wwII?

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

you mean jamaicans? the kind that were brought to drive england's buses after wwII?

they wouldn't even let them drive the buses at first, in fact people were arguing that blacks couldn't even drive buses, despite the obvious fact that blacks drove the buses in JA, for white patrons at that!

[ThePits]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

you mean jamaicans? the kind that were brought to drive england's buses after wwII?

No it means either from Africa or the caribbean

Unfortunately each group has a tendency to dislike the other

Most of the UK black population originates from the caribbean, although there has been a large increase in poeople from Africa in the last 40 years

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by ThePits

Kind of destroys the myth of whites committing most of the gun crime

i dont know, who invented, manufactures and distributes these firearms? I cant think of any black owned gun makers, not even in Africa!

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by ThePits

African americans seem as determined to kill other african americans as much as whites seem hell bent on killing other whites

Kind of destroys the myth of whites committing most of the gun crime

Who invents, manufactures and distributes these firearms? I dont recall any black owned gun makers, not even in sunny Africa! kind of destroys your myth that blacks are as hellbent on killing each other with guns, considering it is the white people who continue to create and distribute these guns in the first place...

[ThePits]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

they wouldn't even let them drive the buses at first, in fact people were arguing that blacks couldn't even drive buses, despite the obvious fact that blacks drove the buses in JA, for white patrons at that!

Um where do you get your facts from?

The government here asked people to come to the UK from the commonwealth countries as this tiny little island lost two complete generations of males in two world wars

Without their immigration the country would have ground to a halt

As it didnt grind to a halt I would presume they were allowed to drive buses, and trains and anything else they wanted to

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by ThePits

No it means either from Africa or the caribbean

Unfortunately each group has a tendency to dislike the other

Most of the UK black population originates from the caribbean, although there has been a large increase in poeople from Africa in the last 40 years

ah.

so who is doing these crimes? the africans, or the caribbeans? and what about social class? got any stats for that?

[demonrail666]

According to official police statistics for 2005-2006

Of all people arrested in the UK, 84% were White, 9% were Black, 5% were Asian, 2% were 'other'.#

Conviction rates for Whites and Blacks are about equal at roughly 50% each.

As The Pits says, figures change dramatically when considering gun crime, especially in London where, in 2006, Blacks accounted for 75% of its victims and 79% of its suspects.

Another interesting statistic I found from 2001 (this time from Interpol) was that, according to crimes committed per 100,000 of population, Britain, France and Germany were ahead of the US. - with the UK running at more than double the US figure.

[ThePits]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Who invents, manufactures and distributes these firearms? I dont recall any black owned gun makers, not even in sunny Africa! kind of destroys your myth that blacks are as hellbent on killing each other with guns, considering it is the white people who continue to create and distribute these guns in the first place...

Um so its the guy in the factory who makes the gun who actually pulls the trigger?

Silly me!

Oh by the way, if you had done your research again, you would find that over 80% of firearms used in crimes are "acquired" from illegal sources not from gun manufacturers or gun stores, no matter what the colour of the owners

Now will you please try using the rest of the deck, that card looks old, tired, and worn out.......

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by ThePits

Um where do you get your facts from?

The government here asked people to come to the UK from the commonwealth countries as this tiny little island lost two complete generations of males in two world wars

Without their immigration the country would have ground to a halt

As it didnt grind to a halt I would presume they were allowed to drive buses, and trains and anything else they wanted to

the government didn't ask anybody to come to the UK, they issued citizenship to the colonies in order to keep them as colonies within the commonwealth in the age of Independence movements after WWII, but they forgot that jamaica is not kenya or india, and that JA is close enough for blacks to immigrate and come to Britain as full citizens, which the whites absolutely detested...



by the way, I noticed you didn't answer my question about who manufactures and distributes firearms?

[ThePits]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

ah.

so who is doing these crimes? the africans, or the caribbeans? and what about social class? got any stats for that?

There doesnt seem to be any further breakdown

As for the social class, yup you guessed it, the overwhelming majority are from socially deprived backgrounds, thats from Lee Jasper the mayors adviser on race issues

Most crime seems to be perpetrated by people from poor backgrounds so its not really a surprise

What is surprising is the willingness of young black males to use guns as opposed to the unwillingness of young white males, its frighteningly disproportionate

The current thinking is that its related to a gun culture in Jamaica that has been importing its values to the community here for many years

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by ThePits

There doesnt seem to be any further breakdown

As for the social class, yup you guessed it, the overwhelming majority are from socially deprived backgrounds, thats from Lee Jasper the mayors adviser on race issues

Most crime seems to be perpetrated by people from poor backgrounds so its not really a surprise

What is surprising is the willingness of young black males to use guns as opposed to the unwillingness of young white males, its frighteningly disproportionate

The current thinking is that its related to a gun culture in Jamaica that has been importing its values to the community here for many years

yeah, the poor commit the bulk of violent crime.

but the rich commit the bulk of "while collar" crime which is in my opinion worse than violent crime and yet receives little attention and light penalties.

you know how many lives the fuckers at enron ruined?

[ThePits]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

the government didn't ask anybody to come to the UK, they issued citizenship to the colonies in order to keep them as colonies within the commonwealth in the age of Independence movements after WWII, but they forgot that jamaica is not kenya or india, and that JA is close enough for blacks to immigrate and come to Britain as full citizens, which the whites absolutely detested...



by the way, I noticed you didn't answer my question about who manufactures and distributes firearms?

Do you actually believe any of the rubbish you come out with?

Yes some people didnt like the idea of immigrants coming here, the same as a few people in every country in the world have had a problem with immigrants

Citizenship wasn't given to keep people as colonies, it was done on an appeal for immigrants from consecutive governments

Check your facts and leave your stupid bigotted rhetoric at home

As for the ethnic origins of gun designers and manufacturers I have no idea whether they are black, white, or purple with green spots

What I do know is this, the person holding the gun and who pulls the trigger is the murderer, or are you suggesting that there is some conspiracy in the arms industry to give blacks guns to kill each other?

Have you also considered the fact that ALL Americans have the right to bear arms?

And now that you know that you are more likely to be shot by a person of your own race, maybe its a sinister plot by the arms industry to kill EVERYONE!

[ThePits]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

yeah, the poor commit the bulk of violent crime.

but the rich commit the bulk of "while collar" crime which is in my opinion worse than violent crime and yet receives little attention and light penalties.

you know how many lives the fuckers at enron ruined?

Yeah I agree with you on the whitecollar crime

The worst one we had was a guy called Levy if I remember correctly, defrauded something like £220 million and received 220 hours community service years ago

Those bastards at Enron should have been slow roasted over an open fire, and had all their assets stripped and distributed amongst the people who they ripped off

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by ThePits

The worst one we had was a guy called Levy if I remember correctly, defrauded something like £220 million and received 220 hours community service years ago

yes, that's what im talking about. when people talk of "crime", they should include fuckers like this one. if he had stolen some twinkies from a store he would have received harsher penalties.

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

the government didn't ask anybody to come to the UK, they issued citizenship to the colonies in order to keep them as colonies within the commonwealth in the age of Independence movements after WWII, but they forgot that jamaica is not kenya or india, and that JA is close enough for blacks to immigrate and come to Britain as full citizens, which the whites absolutely detested.

With respect, the first half of your statement is entirely wrong. The period of mass commonwealth immigration into Britain came at the height of a labour shortage. Blacks from the commonwealth were nothing short of being begged to come and work in Britain - usually in low-skilled service industry jobs.

The idea of giving them citizenship to bolster the commonwealth is strange given that Britain was at that time coming to a swift recognition that it could no-longer actually fund an Empire (being totally broke after WWII). It was ultimately tapping a workforce before losing it.
As for Blacks being detested by the British on arriving, this is again false in the extremity of the word 'detested'. Yes, there were riots in Notting Hill in the late 50s, and very small pockets of unrest elsehere, but the most common experiences of blacks in britain at that time was that they were treated with suspicion and ultimately as second class citizens. The real problems however started in the 70s when the oil crisis brought a massive recession and white people started to blame blacks for taking their jobs. That's when you began to see the relatively brief rise of racist skinheads and the National Front party.

[ThePits]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

With respect, the first half of your statement is entirely wrong. The period of mass commonwealth immigration into Britain came at the height of a labour shortage. Blacks from the commonwealth were nothing short of being begged to come and work in Britain - usually in low-skilled service industry jobs.

The idea of giving them citizenship to bolster the commonwealth is strange given that Britain was at that time coming to a swift recognition that it could no-longer actually fund an Empire (being totally broke after WWII). It was ultimately tapping a workforce before losing it.
As for Blacks being detested by the British on arriving, this is again false in the extremity of the word 'detested'. Yes, there were riots in Notting Hill in the late 50s, and very small pockets of unrest elsehere, but the most common experiences of blacks in britain at that time was that they were treated with suspicion and ultimately as second class citizens. The real problems however started in the 70s when the oil crisis brought a massive recession and white people started to blame blacks for taking their jobs. That's when you began to see the relatively brief rise of racist skinheads and the National Front party.

Well put

As for WWII we only finished paying the USA for the tanks, guns and ships under the "lease/lend" agreement this year!

62 years to pay for the privilege of fighting a world war.........

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Who invents, manufactures and distributes these firearms? I dont recall any black owned gun makers, not even in sunny Africa! kind of destroys your myth that blacks are as hellbent on killing each other with guns, considering it is the white people who continue to create and distribute these guns in the first place...

You're right that the arms industry is an overwhelmingly white affair, but I don't agree with what you seem to be suggesting: that the industry is somehow motivated by a desire to see the end of the black race. It's a finance driven industry, and money has no real agenda beyond the making of more money. I also have no doubt that were Black people in a better position to enter into the arms trade at this manufacturing level, rather than as consumers, they would.

[atari 2600]

But who knows, all the neo-cons are into Nazi eugenics and shit and the voting bloc they seem to be able to always count on are southerners. But yeah, their main thing seems to be profit at any cost.