[atsonicpark]

Beefheart and Caroliner don't sound anything alike. And there's no such as "irrelevant music". And Beefheart blows away 99% of bands out there. And you've never even listened to a Beefheart album so why do you keep talking about him anyway? You seem obsessed with proving some non-point by mentioning some musician you aren't the least bit familiar with. ALlso, Beefheart sounds nothing like ZAPPA, either, who only made one album I'd reccomend -- we're only in it for the money. I don't see how music can be "dated". Film, yes, because movies use dated stylistic techniques (Godard inventd modern film as we know it); there is a feeling to movies, a look, that can be extremely dated. Music.. nothing beats a great song. A good chord sequence is just that. Obviously, some production tricks are dated. Also, yeah, God in 3 persons is like 20 years old instead of 30, if that's what you mean by "recent". But, look, I have 70-80 Residents ablums, and more than half aren't very noteworthy. So they made 2 great albums in the 80's, so what? They made like 15 great albums in the 70's. They still haven't done anything particularly interesting in a long long time. Which has to do with their collaborators not collaborating with them anymore. Residents has only been one constant guy (Hardee Fox).

[Dr. Eugene Felikson]

I'm talking about him because you started crying when I said he pours himself a big bowl of dog turds for breakfast every morning (moreso before you edited your post).

And how doesn't Caroliner or Zappa compare? I mean they all hit odd chords, have weird time signatures... actually you know what? I really don't know what I'm talking about from a technical standpoint - but you can't deny that they have more similarities than say Beefheart and Justin Bieber.

Oh and I disagree with you completely, movies can be just as timeless/dated as music. It's all a matter of each individual subject.

BUT, this is the video game thread. Let's stop tugging at eachother's chest hairs, and just talk about how awesome Super Nintendo is.

[Dr. Eugene Felikson]

Sorry man, the metadata for the God in 3 Persons rip you sent me dates it as coming from 2000. My bad for not looking into that more, honestly.

Last post about this from me.

[atsonicpark]

 

 

 

 

[noisereductions]

Adventure Island II: Aliens In Paradise (GB), which is based more on Adventure Island 3 for NES.

[Dr. Eugene Felikson]

Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson

 

Puyo-Pop Fever (GC)

I'm hooked.

[noisereductions]

yeah Puyo games are great. I got Puyo Pop (GBA) and Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine (GCN) via the Sonic Mega Collection.

[shabbray2.0]

since I got the gameboy player now I will enhance my metroid prime with the suit from metroid fusion via the savegame, yeehaw, totally forgot about that!

[atsonicpark]

Mean Bean Machine is my favorite iteration of the series, though I have all the ps1 japan-only puyo puyo games, as well as the dreamcast "fever"; they're all pretty similiar, except the ps1 has some rpg's where, instead of "battles", you fight people with rounds of puyo puyo for experience. Surprisingly addictive. also you get to be a skeleton man.

Mean Bean Machine proves once again why the genesis is a much better system than the snes (when comparing the game to Kirby's Avalanche; mean bean machine is dark and hardcore, kirby's avalanche is a kiddy game for puyo puyo babies)

TECMO STACKERS is a fun puyo puyo ish game for the ps1 also... the ps1 had tons of great puzzlers: puzzle fighter, intelligent qube, devil dice, gunpey, etc. The ps1 is pretty much a perfect system, they had something for everybody.

[GeneticKiss]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Mean Bean Machine proves once again why the genesis is a much better system than the snes (when comparing the game to Kirby's Avalanche; mean bean machine is dark and hardcore, kirby's avalanche is a kiddy game for puyo puyo babies)

The way I see it nowdays is that Nintendo may have made better hardware, but SEGA made better software, and in the end that's what counts the most. I mean, if the tables had been reversed and Nintendo had gone third party instead of SEGA, would they really have enough first party gems for a Mario's Ultimate Super Nintendo Collection? I think not.

[atsonicpark]

I've always said I thought the Genesis was a way better system -- it just, overall, had better games. More, better games. Like, I can think of 400 really really good Genesis games. I can think of 100 or so on the SNES; lemme put it like this, I have every SNES and Genesis game ever made on my Dreamcast, and the Genesis disc gets played by me every day... the SNES one has only been played a few times. I think some developers got it right; for example, THE ADVENTURES OF BATMAN AND ROBIN on the SNES is fucking incredible. But, man, the Genesis just had SO MANY really really good games. The only problem was that it didn't have Tetris Attack and Super Metroid and Yoshi's Island. But it did have Super Turrican, Contra Hard Corps, Gunstar Heroes, Alien Soldier, Dynamite Headdy, Universal Soldier (which is actually Turrican 2, and a DAMN good game), RANGER X!, Mazin Saga, Vectorman 1-2, Streets of Rage 3; the list goes on and and on and on and on. I think the SNES really benfitted from all the wonderful Square and Enix games -- and both systems were incredible in their own way -- but there's just something about the Genesis that was cooler. The games were always a billion times faster, the music was always cooler (it didnt "sound" as good -- in other words, it didn't have string samples and all that stuff... but there are games like Biohazard Battle where the music is so fucking good, it's worth playing the game just to hear the music). SNES had better RPG's (though I'd take Landstalker and Beyond Oasis over any SNES RPG, aside from Chrono and FFIII), but the Genesis did everything else better, especially shoot em ups (the Thunder Force games/Lightening Force and ESPECIALLY that game MERCS, which is one of the top 10 best games for the system).

Goddamn, I love the Genesis. GUNSTAR HEROES 2-PLAYER. *drool* A game I played 50000 times was the X-Men game, the one where you had to literally reset your game in order to get to the last level. There's no way to emulate the game, properly, is there? Besides just using the cheat? (which is no biggy; when you make it to the last level, all your characters are restored) That game became really easy once you realized that you could just be Nighcrawler and teleport through the entire fucking game.

Remember X-Men 2, though? How the game started as soon as you turned it on? That really blew me away, haha. No Sega logo.. it just started right up. In fact, things were shooting at you and shit as soon as you turned the game on. Insane!

BTW, Joe, you know how you were talking about DEATH DUEL the other day? I remember going to buy it with my grandpa as a kid and there was a note on the front of the box that said "WARNING: THIS GAME HAS DISTURBING SOUND EFFECTS." that an employee had written. Weird.

[shabbray2.0]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

I've always said I thought the Genesis was a way better system -- it just, overall, had better games. More, better games. Like, I can think of 400 really really good Genesis games. I can think of 100 or so on the SNES; lemme put it like this, I have every SNES and Genesis game ever made on my Dreamcast, and the Genesis disc gets played by me every day... the SNES one has only been played a few times. I think some developers got it right; for example, THE ADVENTURES OF BATMAN AND ROBIN on the SNES is fucking incredible. But, man, the Genesis just had SO MANY really really good games. The only problem was that it didn't have Tetris Attack and Super Metroid and Yoshi's Island. But it did have Super Turrican, Contra Hard Corps, Gunstar Heroes, Alien Soldier, Dynamite Headdy, Universal Soldier (which is actually Turrican 2, and a DAMN good game), RANGER X!, Mazin Saga, Vectorman 1-2, Streets of Rage 3; the list goes on and and on and on and on. I think the SNES really benfitted from all the wonderful Square and Enix games -- and both systems were incredible in their own way -- but there's just something about the Genesis that was cooler. The games were always a billion times faster, the music was always cooler (it didnt "sound" as good -- in other words, it didn't have string samples and all that stuff... but there are games like Biohazard Battle where the music is so fucking good, it's worth playing the game just to hear the music). SNES had better RPG's (though I'd take Landstalker and Beyond Oasis over any SNES RPG, aside from Chrono and FFIII), but the Genesis did everything else better, especially shoot em ups (the Thunder Force games/Lightening Force and ESPECIALLY that game MERCS, which is one of the top 10 best games for the system).

Goddamn, I love the Genesis. GUNSTAR HEROES 2-PLAYER. *drool* A game I played 50000 times was the X-Men game, the one where you had to literally reset your game in order to get to the last level. There's no way to emulate the game, properly, is there? Besides just using the cheat? (which is no biggy; when you make it to the last level, all your characters are restored) That game became really easy once you realized that you could just be Nighcrawler and teleport through the entire fucking game.

Remember X-Men 2, though? How the game started as soon as you turned it on? That really blew me away, haha. No Sega logo.. it just started right up. In fact, things were shooting at you and shit as soon as you turned the game on. Insane!

BTW, Joe, you know how you were talking about DEATH DUEL the other day? I remember going to buy it with my grandpa as a kid and there was a note on the front of the box that said "WARNING: THIS GAME HAS DISTURBING SOUND EFFECTS." that an employee had written. Weird.

I cant rep you enogh for keeping up the genesis flag!!!
its always good to read your words about my favourite system, almost on a weekly basis, hahaha


btw are you talking bout the standard x-men game, where you start in the jungle (after going outside the lab)
if so, then I really should start a playthrough, cause I remember buying it as a youngster in a 10 bucks genesis bin almost 15 years ago

[atsonicpark]

Anyway, been playing PULSEMAN, which is fun as hell

 

 

 

 

This is another one of those games the Genesis did really really well -- the fast-as-fuck platformer where you jump/fly around and destroy tons of shit. Also see: Vectorman 1-2, Ranger X, Rocket Knight Adventures, Sparkster, Mega Turrican, Contra Hard Corps, and more.

Also, speaking of great Genesis games, I finally beat splatterhouse 3 this morning. Goddamn that game RULES.

[atsonicpark]

Originally Posted by shabbray2.0

I cant rep you enogh for keeping up the genesis flag!!!
its always good to read your words about my favourite system, almost on a weekly basis, hahaha


btw are you talking bout the standard x-men game, where you start in the jungle (after going outside the lab)
if so, then I really should start a playthrough, cause I remember buying it as a youngster in a 10 bucks genesis bin almost 15 years ago

Yes, the x-men genesis game, the one where -- in order to do a level cheat -- you had to plug in a 2nd controller at the title screen and hold down A+C+start. The music in that game freaked me out, like when Magneto talked.. also, level 3 with the Sentinels and shit.. oh fuck, level 5 with that creepy music and shit.. oh my god.

But yeah, you destroy a gigantic floating tv in level 5 and then you have to actually hit "reset" on the game machine itself, and then it shows a bunch of comic book pages (!) that look BEAUTIFUL and then you go fight Magneto. Just fucking amazing.

[atsonicpark]

Okay, yeah, I just discovered the most badass Genesis game, folks: TWINKLE TALE.

 

 

 

 

Just started playing this monster, and it RULES.

BTW my favorite website HARDCOREGAMING101 just did an article on one of my all time favorite games, LSD: http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/lsd/lsd.htm .. great writing/screens as usual. Best website ever.

[knox]

ok
why the fuck is windows 7 the slowest thing ever?
it's ruining everything.

[SpaceCadetHayden]

 

You heard.

[Dr. Eugene Felikson]

Alright SEGA boys... it's time for me to reinstate that bitter rivalry of the early 90's once more. OH NR, WHERE ARE YOU WHEN I NEED YOU MOST? Probably playing Gameboy...

I grew up a Nintendo fanboy. Starting with the toploader NES when I was 2, and eventually moving on to the SNES, N64, etc. I now own a Genesis of my own, as well as a Dreamcast (with all the ROMs AC constantly boasts about). The SNES has just as many top-notch exclusives as the Genesis did.

First thing is first. We all know the SNES wins in the RPG department. There's just no denying the Super Nintendo's stellar lineup when it comes to that. I'd list 'em all, but it'd just be redundant at this point (for those not in the know, check mine and ASP's lists a few pages back).

Second of all, Sonic the Hedgehog blows in comparison to the platformers that the SNES is most well-known for. I've never really liked the series all that much. The speed gimmick quickly wears thin for me, and often times the levels blare by much too quickly for their own good. Also, unless you're very familiar with a level, the speed gimmick won't even work as well as you'd think it would; leaving you with a very awkward stop n' go platforming experience. Very much unlike the Super Mario World, and Donkey Kong Country franchises where the level design is beyond brilliant, and stomping enemies is an absolute blast, whether you're a seasoned pro, or it's your first time ever playing a video game. Let's also not forget that the SNES is home to Super Metroid, the greatest platformer of all-time.

 

Like I said, I own both systems now, and the SNES still triumphs over the Genesis in my eyes anyday. It's my favorite system of all-time, and I don't think SEGA even came close to dethroning it until they released the Dreamcast (my 2nd favorite console of all-time).

But, the Genesis does have the definitive version of Beavis & Butthead. I haven't touched my SNES version once since I acquired that.

Originally Posted by GeneticKiss

The way I see it nowdays is that Nintendo may have made better hardware, but SEGA made better software, and in the end that's what counts the most. I mean, if the tables had been reversed and Nintendo had gone third party instead of SEGA, would they really have enough first party gems for a Mario's Ultimate Super Nintendo Collection? I think not.

Absolutely!

Super Mario World, Yoshi's Island, Super Mario All-Stars, Super Metroid, Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, Starfox, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, Donkey Kong Country, Donkey Kong Country 2, Donkey Kong Country 3, Earthbound, Killer Instinct, Pilotwings, F-Zero, Super Mario Kart, Kirby Superstar, Stunt Race FX, Yoshi's Safari, Mario Paint, Wario's Woods...

And the fact of the matter is, the tables AREN'T turned because Nintendo wasn't as naive as SEGA was, and didn't release more hardware than their loyal customers could keep up with. Think about it - within the era of the SNES, SEGA had released various models of the Genesis (3 of them right?), the SEGA CD, the 32x, and the Saturn. That's literally 4 consoles (not including the various versions of the Genesis) with completely different sets of games within 6 years (from '89 - '95). I think that's where SEGA really fucked up, gamers couldn't keep up with the company!

But yeah, Super Nintendo FTFW.

Oh, and Adam, that's a very neat little story about Death Duel. Thanks for that.

[atsonicpark]

Donkey Kong Country is absolute garbage. Those gams are so terrible. So so so terrible. You know who hates those games? MIYAMOTO! Shigeru Miyamoto said the reason he made Yoshi's Island was in response to how awful Donkey Kong Country is. A lot of people made a big deal about those games at the time, sicne they were pretty, but NO ONE reeally likes em nowadays. I played through all 3 about 4 years ago, just to have played through them. Then I sold all 3 at the same time on ebay ande mde $50. So, for making me $50 and inspiring Yoshi's Island to be a masterpiece, I congratulate it... otherwise, well, it sucks. If you want to talk good platformers for the SNES, check out Skyblazer, which is what platforming is all about (jumping, flipping, flying, etc). Of course Mario World and Yoshi's Island are better than most Genesis platformers -- but the Genesis has Ristar, Tinhead (both underrated), and the aformeentioned Pulseman... let's not forget KID CHAMELEON, my favorite platformer of all time; 100 weird ass levels of fun. Platofrming perfection, basically.

I noted that SNES had great Enix/Square games, but unfortunately niether company made Beyond Oasis (one of the beat em up games ever.. meets an RPG. GENIUS!) or Landstalker (like A LINK TO THE PAST but way more fun). Can't forget Light Crusader. Phantasy Star IV is one of my favorite RPG's ever, as ar ethe Shining Force games. Funnily enough, the best SNES RPG's (Treasure Hunter G, Tales of Phantasia, Secret of Mana 2) never made it here. But I'd still agree that the SNES has better RPG's.. but that's it. That's the whole genre it exceeds in, but if you're going to play RPG's, most people are going to play the PS1.

The different models of the Genesis were to lower the cost, by removing the headphone jack and soem other components. Most successful game system has had re-releases -- the ps1, ps2, ps3, xbox360, etc. all have had re-released; even the Dreamcast did, in its short time. Of course Sega is a stupid company -- but that doesn't take away from the Genesis being an awesome system.

The Sega CD actully was an AMAZING system, with that Out of this World sequel, Popful Mail, the AMAZING Silpheed, Snatcher, and 2 Lunar games, which justified the price of the system.

The Saturn is probably Sega's best system, period. But only in Japan. Unfortunately, the only game that really rocked that came out here was Panzer Dragoon Saga and Guardian Heroes. Sega of America dropped the ball repeatedly; many of PS1's best games (Gradia, Silhouette Mirage) were Saturn ports. Saturn is, bar none, the best system of all time for shoot em ups; there are like 100 great ones for the Saturn. It's relatively easy to get a Japanese Saturn, or to use the 4mb Expansion Cart or a gameshaerk to paly imported Saturn games (and burnt ones). The Saturn ruled.

The only misstep was the 32X... I would count it as Sega's Virtual Boy, in its shittiness.


Your list of games was a joke, btw. Stunt Race FX? Yoshi's Safari? Piltowings? KILLER INSTINCT (horrible game, unless you have no interest in fighting games as a serious genre)?! Those are not games you want to throw in someone's face when trying to defend the SNES (which, btw, is a great system, one I still own -- though, only for Tetris Attack, Metroid, and Yoshi's Island). Also, Wario's Woods was on the NES originally, and was a lot better.

My list on the last page had lots of great SNES games that were somewhat obscure, but I could easily, at the top of my head, make a list of 300-400 great Genesis games with no problem. I thin you seem to to only talk about the most mainstream, obvious choices -- for both systems. Not many people know the game Ranger X, but everyone who has played it for the Genesis will say that it's better than just about any SNES game ever. Also, ALISIA DRAGOON is better than most SNES platformers. Have you even played Gunstar Heroes, BTW?

Also, Contra Hard Corps, once again, is an experinece you just can't get anywhere else.

SNES had Square and Enix, but the Genesis had Treasure (keep in mind Treasure was an offshoot of a Konami team, the one who developed Bloodlines and Hard Corps and Rocket Knight Adventures -- 3 of the best games ever made!).

The Genesis is my favorite system of all time, though the PS1 is DEFINITELY the best system of all time, by far (it has 4000 games for it... I only own about 250 games for it -- and none of them is shit like Crash Bandicoot.. it's all strategies/puzzle/fighting/platforming.. and of course, games which can't even be described). SNES would probably be # 3, if only for Tetris Attack and Metroid.


I'd say there are about 10-15 completely indispensable games for the SNES, ones that are impossible to live wiuthout, that every gamer needs to play through. I think, in that case, it definitely has more games than the Genesis in that field. But if you just want to talk about an extremely complete, brilliant, amazing system, encompassing all genres... THE GENESIS is where it's at.

I highly reccomend playing some Genesis games that are a bit more obscure, like Twinkle Tale up there, DeCap Attack, Ranger X, the Haunting starring Poulterguy, and even something that is well known like Streets of Rage 3. The Genesis was fast as hell, always had amazing music, and some truly dark, fucked up games (Chakan: The Forever Man STILL creeps m e out.. can't beat that).

No offense, but I really would not use Killer Instinct or the Donkey Kong Country games in any kind of argument if you expect to try to makea case for the quality of the SNES. Those games are embarassing. Funnily enough, Donkey Kong Country looks like a masterpiece next to Donkey Kong 64, maybe my most hated game of all time.

One more thing I'd like to focus on is EXCLUSIVES: the reason to own the Genesis is because of all the EXCLUSIVES; most of those games never ended up anywhere else (except for that recent ps3/xbox port and in some Japanese collections). You can't find Gunstar Heroes or Dynammite Heady or Light Crusader or Landstalker or Beyond Oasis or Ranger X or Pulseman or Granda or Truxton or Subterania anywhere else! Ever! But the SNES? The GBA version of Yoshi's Island is better. The DS version of Tetris Attack is better. The GBA version of Mario World is better. The GBA version of Breath of Fire II is better. The DS version of Chrono Trigger is better. Link to the Past on GBA is better. It goes on and on and on and on (though Super Metroid has never had any re-releases, strangely -- neither did Earthbound, aexcept in Japan, and Super Mario RPG -- the Paper Mario games arew better than Mario RPG, BTW). So, really, the Genesis is a smarter choice of a system to buy if you want some exclusive games.

Anyway, if you want your mind blown bt the snes, play that R2 game I was talking about a few days ago, play some Enix classics like EVO, Terranigma, Illusion of Gaia, etc. It will hopefully make you forget about Rare. (and don't get me wrong, I thought donkey Kong Country was awesome when I was 10 years old but...)

Sega was basically the best releaser in the world of truly hardcore games, which is why they failed, since most peopel wouldr ather play boring, obvious crap.

Also, you don't like Sonic games? Haha.. what?! YOU'D RATHER PLAY DONKEY KONG COUNTRY THAN SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 2? Sorry, man, no one's going to take you seriously after that one, bro.

As for Dreamcast, it's better than any system Nintendo has made aside from the NES or SNES. I LOVE Ogre Battle 64, both Zeldas (which I'd rather play on my GameCube disc), Space Station Silicon Valley, Mario 64, Goldeneye, Blast corps, Jet Force Gemini, Star Soldier, and Sin and Punishment........... hmmm. I think that's it, really. The GameCube was about as successful, with Pikmin and Animal Crossing and.. well... all the other games I liked for it were on the PS2 or the Dreamcast. The Wii is probably about as successful, with Madworld and 2 No More Heroes games.. and... well.. hm. THANK GOD FOR THE DS, EH? ... But, yeah, I guess I just tend to like systems with games in every single genre that are good (like the ps1 and ps2; CASTLEVANIA: SYMPHONY OF THE NIGHT, Persona 2, Internal Section, Adventures of little Ralph blow away the entire N64 lineup; Tales of the Abyss, Dragon Quest VIII, Disgaea 2, Okami, Zone of the Enders 2, Chaos Legion, and literaly 500000 more blow away the GameCube).

Super Mario World, Yoshi's Island, Super Mario All-Stars, Super Metroid, Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, Starfox, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, Donkey Kong Country, Donkey Kong Country 2, Donkey Kong Country 3, Earthbound, Killer Instinct, Pilotwings, F-Zero, Super Mario Kart, Kirby Superstar, Stunt Race FX, Yoshi's Safari, Mario Paint, Wario's Woods...

I really can NOT believe you didn't put Tetris Attack in that list. Mindblowing.

At least we can all agree that the XBOX is probably the worst system ever made.

[noisereductions]

I don't feel like thinking/typing right now. But I had every system from 2600 thru PS2. I've definitely played a lot of games. Short response: Genesis had great Shmups. SNES is a better system. Nintendo is better than Sega. Sega still makes some good games. Sonic blows. Donkey Country games are fun.