[stu666]

^ shut up

[Keeping It Simple]

Originally Posted by Glice

They're going to use water cannons at the next protest. The article below is NSFW.

http://thethirdestate.net/2010/12/th...water-cannons/

The filthy bastards could do with a wash. Maybe the police will throw bars of soap at them before using the water cannon.

[Glice]

Originally Posted by Keeping It Simple

Yeah, like that wasn't lamely set-up by the protesters to make the police look bad. What a bunch of fucking wankers.

You're right, I very often use my pathologically infirm friends as political ruses for a jape. God, it's a riot round my way I well you.

[Glice]

Originally Posted by Keeping It Simple

The filthy bastards could do with a wash. Maybe the police will throw bars of soap at them before using the water cannon.

Perhaps you should carry a placard exhorting people to gargle familial piss at the next protest?

[knox]

"rolling towards the police in your wheelchair?"

[demonrail666]

lawyers are getting involved over the whole kettling thing

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/...g-human-rights

[fugazifan]

Originally Posted by Glice

And just in case anyone still thinks the police are anything short of animals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXNJ3MZ-AUo

thanks for posting that. he really gave it to the reporter.

[demonrail666]

It's not just happening in England, either. Riots have broken out in Italy following Berlusconi's narrow victory in a vote of no confidence. Interesting times.

 

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...nfidence-votes

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by Keeping It Simple

Yeah, like that wasn't lamely set-up by the protesters to make the police look bad. What a bunch of fucking wankers.

eh.. the police do more than a good enough job entirely on their own to make themselves look bad, they hardly need our help. speaking of which, Long Beach PD killed an unarmed man in front of his apartment 4:40 Sunday afternoon over a misunderstanding, hell of a misunderstanding ("
Zerby says he counted 27 bullet holes surrounding the area where his son was killed.")

Originally Posted by demonrail666

It's not just happening in England, either. Riots have broken out in Italy following Berlusconi's narrow victory in a vote of no confidence. Interesting times.

 

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...nfidence-votes

Don't forget the recent 2010 uprisings in France and Greece and probably will spark off in Ireland soon nuff..

Its a shame, the same kinds of 'austerity measures' which are part of the US budget proposals are hardly getting any attention, including a serios education funding cuts, welfare cuts, tax raises, and of course raising the social security/medicare retirement age to 68! The US approach is actually making EU efforts look rather tame and empathetic in comparison!

Rioting is too much of a European tradition, I wish Americans would pick it up from time to time, oh wait, our police carry assault rifles at parades for Christ's sake, maybe that's why we rarely spark em off

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

It's not just happening in England, either. Riots have broken out in Italy following Berlusconi's narrow victory in a vote of no confidence. Interesting times.

 

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...nfidence-votes

i was just reading that! what's intersting about this to me (i like to notice things like this) is that riots and revolts and such usually happen in the spring or summer-- for this to happen in the middle of winter is either a sign of global warming or that people are seriously pissed off.

i hope it's the second.

i am tired of working people getting financially raped while billionaires live it up. look at our great "tax deal" here in 'merica. republicans fought a child nutrition bill that would increase the cost of school meals by 6 cents per child while at the same time refusing to stop giving free money to the rich.

i'm jealous of england and italy, at the moment. americans are so fucking brainwashed it's terrifying.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

for this to happen in the middle of winter is either a sign of global warming or that people are seriously pissed off.

considering Europe has been going through a deep freeze lately, I'd suppose its safe to say the latter

americans are so fucking brainwashed it's terrifying.

 

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

 

i'm afraid of the words

[gast30]

20 votes more and it was won
i don't like that kinda make up your mind
in a flat vieuw i think
people who are on some imagined hierarchy top
are in fear

and that part voted for higher students fees
when people are in fear they make no good decisions
being unaware of a difficult position when you don't have much money

anyway
there needs to be done more thining of people can equalize their life
without haveing an dictatorship of the highly educated or wealty peeps
so fear can be moved aside and rational intelligent system for everyone can work
no mater having money or no money

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Student fees protests: Does rioting change anything?

By Jon Kelly BBC News Magazine

 

Angry protests against tuition fee rises in England have been marked by rioting. Like them or not, do such tactics prove effective?
It was a disturbing, unforgettable tableau, a sight that may come to define an era of unrest: Parliament Square, in the aftermath of serious civil disorder, scattered with charred debris, mangled barriers and broken glass.
The roll-call of injuries, the cost of the damage inflicted on central London's infrastructure - all prompted swift condemnation from the home secretary and the National Union of Students alike.
But if drawing attention to their cause was the protesters' aim, the wreckage proved effective. Every newspaper front page and TV bulletin used images of the chaos to illustrate the anger unleashed among students by the government's plans.

Britain's heritage of disorder

 

Ian Hernon, author of Riot!: Civil Insurrection from Peterloo to the Present Day
Whether or not you think it's morally right, rioting played a part in bringing about the right to vote and in the formation of the welfare state.
By contrast, we had a million people [peacefully] taking to the streets to stop the war - not only did Tony Blair ignore it, he won the next general election.
That's not to say that rioting always works or that it's always in support of a noble cause - far from it.
And in the case of the poll tax, you could argue that the fact there was such strong opposition from across society was much more important than one riot.

This disturbance, as with any other, is the focus for claim and counter-claim about whether police or demonstrators instigated the violence, and whether a hard-core of militant protesters or the Met's "kettling" tactics were responsible for escalating tensions. Chief Constable Paul Stephenson has blamed dedicated "thugs" in the crowd for instigating trouble while supporters of the protesters complain of alleged police heavy-handedness.
Putting aside the rights and wrongs of this particular case, the British public insist overwhelmingly that they are repulsed by rioting. According to a recent poll by YouGov (PDF), 75% of respondents agreed there were "no instances in which violent protest is acceptable in a democracy" - although some 19% believed there were circumstances in which it could be justified.
But few would approve of hurling a fire extinguisher from the roof of a tall building.
Yet in between such behaviour and peaceful protest lie direct action and civil disobedience which target property, rather than people. This lineage stretches back to the Suffragettes, who smashed windows, set fire to letterboxes, chained themselves to railings and defaced paintings in the cause of women's right to vote - and, ultimately, prevailed.
Continue reading the main story “Start Quote

 

Any government that has any fortitude at all has to show it's not influenced by that stuff”

End Quote Peter Hitchens Mail on Sunday
The battles for the right to vote; bitter labour disputes during the miners' strike at Orgreave and the News International dispute at Wapping; and landmark disturbances in London's Notting Hill and Brixton, Liverpool's Toxteth and West Yorkshire's Bradford all left their mark on British history.
And the UK is hardly immune. Economic instability has led to a recent spate of unrest around the world, with Italy the latest country to witness violence on the streets following a controversial government vote of confidence this week.
One former rioter who downplays their significance, however, is Mail on Sunday columnist Peter Hitchens. Now best known for his trenchant conservative views, in 1968 Hitchens earned his political spurs as a left-wing radical at an anti-Vietnam war demonstration by hurling mud at the police.
Today, however, he insists that in a free country, the authorities have a duty not to be swayed by the actions of the mob.
"It's tremendously exhilarating," he admits. "Riots are fun. The self-importance, the adrenaline rush of slight, but not serious, danger.
"But it can't be justified in free countries where there are legitimate means of expression. Any government that has any fortitude at all has to show it's not influenced by that stuff."
The Suffragettes, of course, insisted that they were using direct action because they were denied the vote. Today's student demonstrators cannot make such a claim - at least once they reach 18.
Additionally, advocates of peaceful protest say violence of any kind undermines the moral authority of the protesters' cause.

 

The Suffragettes used direct action - but they were denied the vote
However, New Statesman columnist Laurie Penny, who reported on the Parliament Square and Millbank demonstrations from the front line, says this assumption that British democracy guarantees everyone a voice is undermined by both the ineffectiveness of the Iraq demo and the sense of betrayal felt by students who voted Liberal Democrat because of the party's pledge to vote against fee increases.
She condemns the throwing of the fire extinguisher and those who set out to attack police officers. But she insists the majority of those who took part in civil disobedience had no other way to articulate their frustration.
"Peaceful protest is utterly ignored in this country," she says. "What the government wants is for people to be docile."
An act like smashing windows of tax avoiders, she argues, is "not a cause of social breakdown, it's a symptom of social breakdown".
The view from the other side of the police line is, of course, very different. Brian Paddick, a former Deputy Assistant Commissioner with the Metropolitan police and one-time Lib Dem candidate for London Mayor, gained his formative experience of civil disorder as a young sergeant during the 1981 Brixton riots.
Recalling how he and his officers were attacked with paving slabs, bricks and lumps of concrete, Mr Paddick cannot condone the violence.
But he did understand locals' sense of voicelessness and anger at the heavy use of stop and search targeted at ethnic minorities in the area, and this heavily influenced his own community-led approach when he became Brixton's commander a decade after the violence.
"In 1981 nobody would listen," he says. "No media would cover the oppression that, particularly, young black men were suffering at the hands of the police at the time.
"The uprising in Brixton was understandable if not legitimate. You can't say that about the violence on the streets of London in the past few weeks."
Everyone will draw their own conclusions about the justice, or otherwise, of the merits of individual protests
The only certainty is that the threat of disorder will persist as long as it captures our collective attention.

[gast30]

it's about a political win
for what reason?
there is no money? we need to get money from students?

there is a riot?
for what? there is a shortage of food?

first is there a real proof that there is no money
and the only people who can save the GB are student by paying absurbd high prices to go to school

what is this? c'mon
what an image are you building for the world to be rememberd by

what is the reason of high fees?
can some give an answer? some one who is responsible?
there everthing dissapears when you look for the responsible person to explain why higher fees?

is it a financial survival? created by who?

firts there is free acces to university
the first system
and now
why young people have more then ever difficult times
making it even more difficult for them
and leaving them with the world pollution, climate change and other serious
future problems ahead

now
piont the finger back in time to the 1980 ties
they had clean air
no AIDS
no overpopulation
low oilprices

now we are 30 years later

[gast30]

i would continue on the first system
totally free education
and then follow that evolution
with free energy (green energy)
free communication, phone, internet
free modern ecological housing that is easy to adaptable to the population

^this makes sense in a modern world

[tesla69]

How clever, the State sends in violent provacateurs and police without badges to start a "riot" resulting in some "property damage" and now the police are going to ban student marches. THE SLAVES MUST LEARN THEIR PLACE DAMITOL. And the British subjects will not question their masters. They are good slaves. Almost as obedient as the US slaves

[demonrail666]

You do have better teeth though.

[gast30]

yeah, the doors had serious thoughts of people and living free
i follow their mindset
hopefully every generation does it better

[demonrail666]

It's kicked off in Greece now.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...in-Greece.html