[Glice]

Has anyone else seen it? Tell me why you think it's good, and then I'll call you a prick for endorsing such a load of horseshit hysterical bollocks.

Go!

[Danny Himself]

I was made to watch the christianity part by some atheistfag friend of mine who seems to be trying to pull me out of the arms of my catholic childhood.

Lame.

[pbradley]

Seen it, it isn't good. You may call me a prick for other reasons.

[Silent Dan Speaks]

I'm kind of curious to see it just to find out what all the hubbub is about, but it seems like everyone who watches it turns into a gigantic douche. I'm also going to assume that the "facts" in it are pretty sketchy, but I can't really say without seeing it.

Odds are I'll check it out sooner or later, I'm just not in any hurry.

[alteredcourse]

I'm in the same boat as S D S. Eventually I'll see it. I'd like to know why people are so crazy about it.

[Glice]

http://www.surfthechannel.com/info/M...tml?aid=206831

Here's the link for the whole thing. I should imagine the makers are quite keen to keep it freely available for all.

It's an astonishing piece of work, if only because they criticise Christianity for stealing from other places and inventing an invisible man who controls the world, and then the remainder of the film involves providing an argument for the invisible men behind the economy. It's a perfect instance of a lapsed Christian mourning their lack of faith under the auspices of a negation of God. Shit, but amazingly hysterically so.

[EVOLghost]

Originally Posted by pbradley

Seen it, it isn't good. You may call me a prick for other reasons.

Why isn't it good?

[pbradley]

Because it is bad.

Checkmate.

[EVOLghost]

Originally Posted by pbradley

Because it is bad.

Checkmate.

Any argument against it? and Checkmate? I was just curious.

[pbradley]

Nnngh, why don't you ask Glice for a critique? He's the cunt that made the thread. I've been explaining my opinions all fucking day today. I'm tired of writing long explanations.

But here's one: lol God's son is really God's SUN because the Bible was totally written in English 2000 years ago!

[ruinedbyharps]

MTV for David Icke fans.

[max]

well, maybe you have a lizard in you.
and you never noticed.

but really, I found it quite interesting and rather trippy. there's lots of truths in there. some other things are not that reliable but all the part on world economy and religion are pretty much spot on.

in the end, i realy think if we were all a bit more kind with each other the whole planet would be doing better.

peace out.

[Glice]

Originally Posted by max

there's lots of truths in there.

Well, this is the problem. We've seen 'thinkers' since the beginning of writing (and doubtless before) argue about the nature of truth. While I've got nothing wrong with people abiding to the post-enlightenment notion of 'scientific' truth, and while I wish various theistic groups would entertain more 'properly' scientific notions, this film's absolute hinging upon a very specific sort of truth that is only ocassionally appropriate to a sense of 'spiritual truth' makes it nauseating to me. The problem with Zeitgeist is that the conflation of various species of truth means it instantly undermines any pertinent points with its hysterical narrative of 'we known the real truth'. Were they to admit to themselves (and any film is always a collective effort, not a unitary narrative) that they are at times speculating - especially with the utterly insane cyborg/illuminati-esque final section - then it would've been a better film that ultimately wouldn't have been seen by many people. Money is only one manifestation of the regimin of exchange. When I rule the world this will be tattooed to the eyelids of all conspiracy theorists/ anti-capitalists.

[floatingslowly]

Originally Posted by pbradley

Checkmate.

great work, Bobby Fischer, you fucking jew-hater.

[davenotdead]

searching for bobby fischer is such a great movie... i think i saw it 4 times as a kid...

[EVOLghost]

Originally Posted by Glice

Well, this is the problem. We've seen 'thinkers' since the beginning of writing (and doubtless before) argue about the nature of truth. While I've got nothing wrong with people abiding to the post-enlightenment notion of 'scientific' truth, and while I wish various theistic groups would entertain more 'properly' scientific notions, this film's absolute hinging upon a very specific sort of truth that is only ocassionally appropriate to a sense of 'spiritual truth' makes it nauseating to me. The problem with Zeitgeist is that the conflation of various species of truth means it instantly undermines any pertinent points with its hysterical narrative of 'we known the real truth'. Were they to admit to themselves (and any film is always a collective effort, not a unitary narrative) that they are at times speculating - especially with the utterly insane cyborg/illuminati-esque final section - then it would've been a better film that ultimately wouldn't have been seen by many people. Money is only one manifestation of the regimin of exchange. When I rule the world this will be tattooed to the eyelids of all conspiracy theorists/ anti-capitalists.

So you're going to turn the whole movie to shit just because of the ending?

[alteredcourse]

Originally Posted by davenotdead

searching for bobby fischer is such a great movie... i think i saw it 4 times as a kid...

Me too. I thought it was great. Though once a popular girl from school invited me for a sleepover, and after swearing the movies awesomeness she let me choose it to rent at the store. Oh man. Even her parents became so bored that they fell asleep for a while then they all got up to leave and chat in the kitchen while I stayed to finish it. We didnt hang out again after that.

[Glice]

Originally Posted by EVOLghost

So you're going to turn the whole movie to shit just because of the ending?

This isn't modern art we're talking about. We're talking about a political film that seeks to make a series of point in the context of a whole narrative. The whole point of their narrative is whatever it is, and as such it's linear. If the end is shit, the beginning is shit. Because it's making a political point. If it were a series of disconnected images then you can isolate bits to enjoy; it isn't, so don't be a dick.

[Glice]

It wasn't me that turned the film to shit either.

[SynthethicalY]

Religulous.