Classic Album #11: Lift Your Skinny Fists... by Godspeed You Black Emperor

gmku · 07.02.2007, 11:00 PM

I hated this one so much at first I almost took it back. Then I fell head over heels on the fourth listen or so. One of those albums that casts a spell.

cryptowonderdruginvogue · 07.02.2007, 11:04 PM

yes!
great album

Savage Clone · 07.02.2007, 11:07 PM

T O O
S O O N

gmku · 07.02.2007, 11:09 PM

No, it's NOT! You don't get to dictate time. A classic is a classic outside of time, whether it was made yesterday or 50 years ago.

Savage Clone · 07.02.2007, 11:14 PM

20 year minimum. Arbitrary? Sure, but I don't give a shit.
"Classic" is a term that can only be applied after a good amount of time in order for the art to be contextualized as it relates to both typifying a moment in time and having staying power and/or influence.

Too Soon.

gmku · 07.02.2007, 11:15 PM

Meh, I don't buy it. Sorry.

Savage Clone · 07.02.2007, 11:18 PM

I would think you of all people would understand that just because something is (in your opinion) really good, that doesn't make it a "classic" automatically.

Classic is a term that requires a frame of reference.

cryptowonderdruginvogue · 07.02.2007, 11:19 PM

did someone just get served?

gmku · 07.02.2007, 11:24 PM

I don't know, but I'm either punchy from being up too long or this truly is like the silliest debate I've ever been involved in. Truly. So fine, I'll concede. 20 years, Savage Clone. Whatever you say.

cryptowonderdruginvogue · 07.02.2007, 11:25 PM

yo,
whathcoodoin' dawg?
you aint neva supposed to give up
hollaaaa

Savage Clone · 07.02.2007, 11:26 PM

Well, if nothing else it's nice to know that you can repackage prog-rock, pretend it isn't prog-rock, play your sidelong crescendos in the dark and berate your standing-room-only crowd (who obviously love you) for the actions of a president that maybe two people in the room may have voted for, and have your work be deemed an "instant classic."

I don't think it's silly. I mean, it's silly to get super worked-up over it, but I don't think either of us is actually angry for real. There are roots and there are branches. Time will tell.

gmku · 07.02.2007, 11:29 PM

I think it's a contemporary classic. How's that?

gmku · 07.02.2007, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cryptowonderdruginvogue

yo,
whathcoodoin' dawg?
you aint neva supposed to give up
hollaaaa

Well, the doc says I have to watch my blood pressure.

Savage Clone · 07.02.2007, 11:33 PM

Seriously, with things like presidential legacies and matters of historical importance, it is widely acknowledged that a significant amount of time must pass before the effects of a certain administration, movement or event can be truly put into historical perspective. I'm only trying to apply that prism to significant works of art, that's all. Just because something is "Really Good" now does not mean it will age well or have lasting impact, or have any significance in the lives of people who were not of its time. That, to me, is what a "classic" is.

"Contemporary classic" is an OK term, but it sounds like a word a publicist would like to use...

gmku · 07.02.2007, 11:34 PM

I do think some things attain classic status more quickly than others, depending on their significance and so on.

cryptowonderdruginvogue · 07.02.2007, 11:39 PM

question

is this old enough to be deemed a classic?

gmku · 07.02.2007, 11:39 PM

Are you making fun of us?

cryptowonderdruginvogue · 07.02.2007, 11:42 PM

no.

...yes.

atsonicpark · 07.03.2007, 09:11 AM

yanqui xo is my favorite godspeed.

jimbrim · 07.03.2007, 10:27 AM

This is indeed a great Godspeed record, but i would say 'f#a#' is their 'classic' album.

07.02.2007, 11:00 PM	#1
gmku invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 15,225	I hated this one so much at first I almost took it back. Then I fell head over heels on the fourth listen or so. One of those albums that casts a spell. __________________ Ever notice how this place just basically, well, sucks.
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07.02.2007, 11:04 PM	#2
cryptowonderdruginvogue invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: the party Posts: 10,281	yes! great album
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07.02.2007, 11:07 PM	#3
Savage Clone invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,290	T O O S O O N
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07.02.2007, 11:09 PM	#4
gmku invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 15,225	No, it's NOT! You don't get to dictate time. A classic is a classic outside of time, whether it was made yesterday or 50 years ago. __________________ Ever notice how this place just basically, well, sucks.
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07.02.2007, 11:14 PM	#5
Savage Clone invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,290	20 year minimum. Arbitrary? Sure, but I don't give a shit. "Classic" is a term that can only be applied after a good amount of time in order for the art to be contextualized as it relates to both typifying a moment in time and having staying power and/or influence. Too Soon.
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07.02.2007, 11:15 PM	#6
gmku invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 15,225	Meh, I don't buy it. Sorry. __________________ Ever notice how this place just basically, well, sucks.
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07.02.2007, 11:18 PM	#7
Savage Clone invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,290	I would think you of all people would understand that just because something is (in your opinion) really good, that doesn't make it a "classic" automatically. Classic is a term that requires a frame of reference.
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07.02.2007, 11:19 PM	#8
cryptowonderdruginvogue invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: the party Posts: 10,281	did someone just get served?
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07.02.2007, 11:24 PM	#9
gmku invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 15,225	I don't know, but I'm either punchy from being up too long or this truly is like the silliest debate I've ever been involved in. Truly. So fine, I'll concede. 20 years, Savage Clone. Whatever you say. __________________ Ever notice how this place just basically, well, sucks.
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07.02.2007, 11:25 PM	#10
cryptowonderdruginvogue invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: the party Posts: 10,281	yo, whathcoodoin' dawg? you aint neva supposed to give up hollaaaa
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07.02.2007, 11:26 PM	#11
Savage Clone invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,290	Well, if nothing else it's nice to know that you can repackage prog-rock, pretend it isn't prog-rock, play your sidelong crescendos in the dark and berate your standing-room-only crowd (who obviously love you) for the actions of a president that maybe two people in the room may have voted for, and have your work be deemed an "instant classic." I don't think it's silly. I mean, it's silly to get super worked-up over it, but I don't think either of us is actually angry for real. There are roots and there are branches. Time will tell.
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07.02.2007, 11:29 PM	#12
gmku invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 15,225	I think it's a contemporary classic. How's that? __________________ Ever notice how this place just basically, well, sucks.
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07.02.2007, 11:33 PM	#14
Savage Clone invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,290	Seriously, with things like presidential legacies and matters of historical importance, it is widely acknowledged that a significant amount of time must pass before the effects of a certain administration, movement or event can be truly put into historical perspective. I'm only trying to apply that prism to significant works of art, that's all. Just because something is "Really Good" now does not mean it will age well or have lasting impact, or have any significance in the lives of people who were not of its time. That, to me, is what a "classic" is. "Contemporary classic" is an OK term, but it sounds like a word a publicist would like to use...
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07.02.2007, 11:34 PM	#15
gmku invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 15,225	I do think some things attain classic status more quickly than others, depending on their significance and so on. __________________ Ever notice how this place just basically, well, sucks.
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07.02.2007, 11:39 PM	#16
cryptowonderdruginvogue invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: the party Posts: 10,281	question is this old enough to be deemed a classic?
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07.02.2007, 11:39 PM	#17
gmku invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 15,225	Are you making fun of us? __________________ Ever notice how this place just basically, well, sucks.
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07.02.2007, 11:42 PM	#18
cryptowonderdruginvogue invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: the party Posts: 10,281	no. ...yes.
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07.03.2007, 09:11 AM	#19
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	yanqui xo is my favorite godspeed. __________________
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07.03.2007, 10:27 AM	#20
jimbrim expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: UK Posts: 1,308	This is indeed a great Godspeed record, but i would say 'f#a#' is their 'classic' album.
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