tape/et al and LP simultaneous playing : )

rocky · 02.17.2014, 03:18 PM

Recently i 've become aware of what has been known: there is an amazing potential that exists when playing a steady recording (tape, anything else) and an LP at the same time!

This web space can allow this type of experiment, but, i think this would be clearly be the most amazing in a room together!
Schizophrenia LP and steady recording example : )

this demo is not perfect as far as sound quality, but, you can pause one side to allow it to catch up to or to drift from the other. with actual equipment i think this can be done too, although it could be harder. In two different places in a room, longer delays would sound better. : ) This is really for all music, but, it so deeply suits sonic youth/all related art projects!!

Anyone who has Sonic Youth LP recordings digitally transferred from a turntable or LP that is at least slightly wobbly can also match up the two recordings very accurately in some type of software.

In my mind it feels like in the studio, who knows how many decades ago, sometimes artists/producing artists might have played a completed LP along with tapes, and found that it created a holographic/multidimensional feeling.

i'm not an expert on this so i am excited to hear what everyone else thinks and feels! : ) Each time i have tried with any song or album, it is very much an experience of total rediscovery!

rocky · 02.17.2014, 03:26 PM

another example : )
it is a non-sonic youth example in case this topic is better for that forum. i do hope it will be exciting somewhere and somehow by May or June there will be some type of collection/list, etc of the best tape and LP experiences.

Just another diamond day

Genteel Death · 02.17.2014, 04:45 PM

Best thread on this forum in a long time.

_tunic_ · 02.17.2014, 06:41 PM

here's a mote
mixed the studio version with a live version

thanks for that site

Nefeli · 02.18.2014, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Genteel Death

Best thread on this forum in a long time.

yep.

A Thousand Threads · 02.18.2014, 07:52 AM

Maybe I don't get it...
but if you'd do that that with tape player or tape machine and a vinyl player, wouldn't there be some kind of problems with synchronicity, since tape speed always varies a bit?
Can't listen to any of the examples, my internet connection is fucked.

Bytor Peltor · 02.18.2014, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by A Thousand Threads

wouldn't there be some kind of problems with synchronicity, since tape speed always varies a bit?

I believe this is the idea......for the synchronicity to be just a wee bit off causing an echo effect without the echo. Well, not reverberating echo, just repeating echo

I tried upping a video and it keeps telling me it's not available......

MellySingsDoom · 02.18.2014, 12:11 PM

Thought that would be an interesting piece of lo-fi natural "phase-piece" music - the reality of it is that is sounds like two copies of said tune playing in and out of sync - occasionally interesting, but in the main it just sounds like e.g. "Schizophrenia" being put through some sort of ADT/tape-phase/chorusing-like effect - not really 100% effective to these ears, to be honest.

I've heard attempts at multiple records etc playing done live - I recall a Billy Jenkins performance where he synced up 4 specially cut 12-inch records to play in "natural-phase" sync, with speakers being placed in various parts of the room - that performance was actually pretty impressive, from what I recall.

Still, in spite of my caveats, it's certainly an interesting thread, all told.

evollove · 02.18.2014, 01:00 PM

Cool,

but something slightly (possibly) cooler coming in next few days.

Stay tuned.

halgreen · 02.18.2014, 01:54 PM

EVOL tour dvd?

evollove · 02.18.2014, 02:02 PM

No. Another SY fan manipulating SY into something new.

I've already said too much.

Bytor Peltor · 02.18.2014, 05:37 PM

I remember reading about it somewhere......maybe here??

What I'm referring to is an exhibit where The Beatles, 'White Album' is featured on 100 turntables all being played at the same time and how different the album should sound when played on 100 turntables at the same time.

Believe this is in New York.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MellySingsDoom

Thought that would be an interesting piece of lo-fi natural "phase-piece" music - the reality of it is that is sounds like two copies of said tune playing in and out of sync - occasionally interesting, but in the main it just sounds like e.g. "Schizophrenia" being put through some sort of ADT/tape-phase/chorusing-like effect - not really 100% effective to these ears, to be honest.

I've heard attempts at multiple records etc playing done live - I recall a Billy Jenkins performance where he synced up 4 specially cut 12-inch records to play in "natural-phase" sync, with speakers being placed in various parts of the room - that performance was actually pretty impressive, from what I recall.

Still, in spite of my caveats, it's certainly an interesting thread, all told.

Genteel Death · 02.18.2014, 05:40 PM

This?
http://gizmodo.com/listen-to-100-whi...nce-1469731580

Bytor Peltor · 02.18.2014, 05:46 PM

YES - that was quick!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

This?
http://gizmodo.com/listen-to-100-whi...nce-1469731580

_tunic_ · 02.19.2014, 03:59 AM

this is a very cool track, it was automagically selected by soundcloud after I listened to that 100X Beatles piece:
https://soundcloud.com/acornavi/jim-...crickets-audio
all sounds come from crickets, which are sped up and slowed down

02.17.2014, 03:18 PM	#1
rocky bad moon rising Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 151	Recently i 've become aware of what has been known: there is an amazing potential that exists when playing a steady recording (tape, anything else) and an LP at the same time! This web space can allow this type of experiment, but, i think this would be clearly be the most amazing in a room together! Schizophrenia LP and steady recording example : ) this demo is not perfect as far as sound quality, but, you can pause one side to allow it to catch up to or to drift from the other. with actual equipment i think this can be done too, although it could be harder. In two different places in a room, longer delays would sound better. : ) This is really for all music, but, it so deeply suits sonic youth/all related art projects!! Anyone who has Sonic Youth LP recordings digitally transferred from a turntable or LP that is at least slightly wobbly can also match up the two recordings very accurately in some type of software. In my mind it feels like in the studio, who knows how many decades ago, sometimes artists/producing artists might have played a completed LP along with tapes, and found that it created a holographic/multidimensional feeling. i'm not an expert on this so i am excited to hear what everyone else thinks and feels! : ) Each time i have tried with any song or album, it is very much an experience of total rediscovery! __________________ catch
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rocky bad moon rising Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 151	another example : ) it is a non-sonic youth example in case this topic is better for that forum. i do hope it will be exciting somewhere and somehow by May or June there will be some type of collection/list, etc of the best tape and LP experiences. Just another diamond day
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02.17.2014, 04:45 PM	#3
Genteel Death invito al cielo Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 8,744	Best thread on this forum in a long time.
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_tunic_ invito al cielo Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: I could live in eurHope Posts: 3,944	here's a mote mixed the studio version with a live version thanks for that site __________________ what comes first, the music or the words?
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02.18.2014, 07:52 AM	#6
A Thousand Threads expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,000	Maybe I don't get it... but if you'd do that that with tape player or tape machine and a vinyl player, wouldn't there be some kind of problems with synchronicity, since tape speed always varies a bit? Can't listen to any of the examples, my internet connection is fucked.
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MellySingsDoom invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,662	Thought that would be an interesting piece of lo-fi natural "phase-piece" music - the reality of it is that is sounds like two copies of said tune playing in and out of sync - occasionally interesting, but in the main it just sounds like e.g. "Schizophrenia" being put through some sort of ADT/tape-phase/chorusing-like effect - not really 100% effective to these ears, to be honest. I've heard attempts at multiple records etc playing done live - I recall a Billy Jenkins performance where he synced up 4 specially cut 12-inch records to play in "natural-phase" sync, with speakers being placed in various parts of the room - that performance was actually pretty impressive, from what I recall. Still, in spite of my caveats, it's certainly an interesting thread, all told. __________________ Snow on Easter Sunday - Jesus Christ in reverse.
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evollove invito al cielo Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,879	Cool, but something slightly (possibly) cooler coming in next few days. Stay tuned.
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halgreen stalker Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 469	EVOL tour dvd?
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evollove invito al cielo Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,879	No. Another SY fan manipulating SY into something new. I've already said too much.
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Genteel Death invito al cielo Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 8,744	This? http://gizmodo.com/listen-to-100-whi...nce-1469731580
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02.19.2014, 03:59 AM	#15
_tunic_ invito al cielo Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: I could live in eurHope Posts: 3,944	this is a very cool track, it was automagically selected by soundcloud after I listened to that 100X Beatles piece: https://soundcloud.com/acornavi/jim-...crickets-audio all sounds come from crickets, which are sped up and slowed down __________________ what comes first, the music or the words?
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