After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music.

Pookie · 06.30.2006, 06:41 AM

Music is essentially useless, as life is.

porkmarras · 06.30.2006, 06:49 AM

In terms of things that are essential(food,shelter etc),music can easily be described as useless.It's impossible to imagine a world without it though.

alyasa · 06.30.2006, 06:57 AM

That is rather nihilistic is it not? If life is valueless, then by default nothing has any meaning, since the effect of something having zero value negates its significance; and since also everything that we speak of and communicate is essentially about life that means that the words that I am typing and the words that you are typing are, paradoxically, meaningless, thereby negating your statement that life is valueless. So by saying that life is useless, you have actually proved, with those words, that life has value beyond worth that is superficial, since only a life that has value can ever produce a statement like, 'life is useless'. Dig?

Pookie · 06.30.2006, 07:02 AM

Many a mickle mack a muckle, surely?

porkmarras · 06.30.2006, 07:04 AM

The statement 'life is useless' is a very futile one.Why not commit suicide then?What's the point of dwelving into a useless existence?

Onani Nic · 06.30.2006, 07:09 AM

"to a kid looking up to me, life and nothing but bitches and money"

m^a(t)h · 06.30.2006, 08:23 AM

life is very pointless, i would have so many more friends if i didnt waste all my time listening to music, it ruined my life. i would stab myself but i dont know where the knife drawer is....oh well...

Pookie · 06.30.2006, 09:02 AM

When life is wasted in heedless luxury and spent on no good activity, we are forced at last by death's final constraint to realize that it has passed away before we knew it was passing.

alyasa · 06.30.2006, 09:22 PM

Nobody realises that 'life is useless', everyone thinks life is efficient, productive and enriching. Not until the restraints of the final sleep begin to confine us within the stifiling realms of eternity do we even begin to wonder at the futility of life.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead · 06.30.2006, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porkmarras

In terms of things that are essential(food,shelter etc),music can easily be described as useless.It's impossible to imagine a world without it though.

Helen Keller could imagine it.

acousticrock87 · 06.30.2006, 09:54 PM

Silence is overrated. It's really just for the artsy types like John Cage. I much prefer music.

But music is definitely not useless. It conveys emotion, which is one of the most useful (and harmful) things in existence.

when · 06.30.2006, 10:24 PM

silence is music, unless your definition of music begins and ends with james blunt

alyasa · 07.01.2006, 01:27 AM

silence is the absence of sound. but when you take away the tones and the rhythms and the notes and the melodies, you are left with anything but an absence of sound. i think life fills up the silence with immense noise. noises of life and living. just be quiet for a while and listen. switch everything and don't say or do anything but listen. the silence will be revelatory.

Norma J · 07.01.2006, 01:30 AM

Either everything is useful or everything is useless.

alyasa · 07.01.2006, 02:27 AM

just like silence or music. actually life has value regardless. it's up to us to work towards realising this value.... it is the extensions of life, like art and music which have no value, except that which we give it. that's why art is subjective, as is music, and why people get so defensive about it.

acousticrock87 · 07.01.2006, 02:53 AM

Art is not subjective. That's only your opinion.

...You see what I did there? Cause it- Eh, nevermind. Kids and your...skull-banging music...

alyasa · 07.01.2006, 03:01 AM

Haha...

PAULYBEE2656 · 07.01.2006, 05:26 AM

silence is as important as sound cause without it we have no base level

how can a pinter paint on something which isnt plain

how can a bulider build on something which isnt clear

ok, enuff of profound paulybee. silence is great and life aint futile!

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porkmarras invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London - UK Posts: 14,313	In terms of things that are essential(food,shelter etc),music can easily be described as useless.It's impossible to imagine a world without it though. __________________
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alyasa invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,791	That is rather nihilistic is it not? If life is valueless, then by default nothing has any meaning, since the effect of something having zero value negates its significance; and since also everything that we speak of and communicate is essentially about life that means that the words that I am typing and the words that you are typing are, paradoxically, meaningless, thereby negating your statement that life is valueless. So by saying that life is useless, you have actually proved, with those words, that life has value beyond worth that is superficial, since only a life that has value can ever produce a statement like, 'life is useless'. Dig? __________________ Sab Kuch Tick Tock Hai
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porkmarras invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London - UK Posts: 14,313	The statement 'life is useless' is a very futile one.Why not commit suicide then?What's the point of dwelving into a useless existence? __________________
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Onani Nic the end of the ugly Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 930	"to a kid looking up to me, life and nothing but bitches and money" __________________ I don't give a fuck thats the problem. I see a motherfuckin cop i don't dodge them.
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m^a(t)h expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,204	life is very pointless, i would have so many more friends if i didnt waste all my time listening to music, it ruined my life. i would stab myself but i dont know where the knife drawer is....oh well...
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Pookie invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 9,877	When life is wasted in heedless luxury and spent on no good activity, we are forced at last by death's final constraint to realize that it has passed away before we knew it was passing.
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alyasa invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,791	Nobody realises that 'life is useless', everyone thinks life is efficient, productive and enriching. Not until the restraints of the final sleep begin to confine us within the stifiling realms of eternity do we even begin to wonder at the futility of life. __________________ Sab Kuch Tick Tock Hai
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acousticrock87 invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,515	Silence is overrated. It's really just for the artsy types like John Cage. I much prefer music. But music is definitely not useless. It conveys emotion, which is one of the most useful (and harmful) things in existence.
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when bad moon rising Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: somerville, ma Posts: 109	silence is music, unless your definition of music begins and ends with james blunt
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alyasa invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,791	silence is the absence of sound. but when you take away the tones and the rhythms and the notes and the melodies, you are left with anything but an absence of sound. i think life fills up the silence with immense noise. noises of life and living. just be quiet for a while and listen. switch everything and don't say or do anything but listen. the silence will be revelatory. __________________ Sab Kuch Tick Tock Hai
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Norma J invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Orstralia Posts: 4,917	Either everything is useful or everything is useless. __________________ I want girls with new-wave hair-doos
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alyasa invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,791	just like silence or music. actually life has value regardless. it's up to us to work towards realising this value.... it is the extensions of life, like art and music which have no value, except that which we give it. that's why art is subjective, as is music, and why people get so defensive about it. __________________ Sab Kuch Tick Tock Hai
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acousticrock87 invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,515	Art is not subjective. That's only your opinion. ...You see what I did there? Cause it- Eh, nevermind. Kids and your...skull-banging music...
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alyasa invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,791	Haha... __________________ Sab Kuch Tick Tock Hai
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PAULYBEE2656 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: wexford, rep of ireland Posts: 6,930	silence is as important as sound cause without it we have no base level how can a pinter paint on something which isnt plain how can a bulider build on something which isnt clear ok, enuff of profound paulybee. silence is great and life aint futile! __________________ myspace facebook *twitter*
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