I'm kinda sick of major label bands being branded as Indie rock...

ZEROpumpkins · 08.05.2007, 06:55 AM

Intentional or not, it bugs me that it is a complete contradiction of terms. I'm afraid that it could be the next term that the media catches onto if they haven't already (like in the 90's when grunge was used to describe everything). Who else feels like this?

demonrail666 · 08.05.2007, 07:26 AM

'Indie' has referred to a style rather than a record company's industry status for a long time now. But I agree, it is a bit annoying.

SynthethicalY · 08.05.2007, 01:05 PM

Eh, never bothered with anything indie, I just got into what I like. But I do see your point it is quite lame, that there are these bands that are just pop, and are called indie.

jico. · 08.05.2007, 01:21 PM

its in your title, it's called BRANDING

matt74m · 08.05.2007, 05:42 PM

I agree, but the major labels caught on to this years ago, buying indie labels so they could put stuff out that had 'credability' or whatever they want to call it.

The one that winds me up is 'alternative', which by its nature should be something different to the main stream, but again its just used to give crap bands credibility.

Think Synth hit it on the head, you just buy what's good. Shame we can'y use indie or alternative as a pointer any more.

atsonicpark · 08.05.2007, 06:11 PM

we need no wave to be brought back. i want to bring it back.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham · 08.05.2007, 06:18 PM

Let's do it.

scott v · 08.05.2007, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark

we need no wave to be brought back. i want to bring it back.

NO! ...no wave existed from around 1977 - 1981, it is unique period of a certain type of music that existed in a certain place therefore it should not be resurrected as the same thing, basically because it can't be. its that simple. calling it back is a contradiction to the very title statement of this thread.

Savage Clone · 08.05.2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark

we need no wave to be brought back. i want to bring it back.

Get this guy a time machine for the no wave "revival" that happened already.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham · 08.05.2007, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by scott v

NO! ...no wave existed from around 1977 - 1981, it is unique period of a certain type of music that existed in a certain place therefore it should not be resurrected as the same thing, basically because it can't be. its that simple. calling it back is a contradiction to the very title statement of this thread.

I can see your point.

Savage Clone · 08.05.2007, 06:36 PM

Oh, and include "lo-fi" on this list as well.
I had a feeling in the early 1990s that "lo-fi" was going to become a buzzword for music of a certain type, and not just for "bedroom production techniques" that describe the way music sounds on recordings. It came true pretty quickly, and a lot of the bands called "lo fi" are anything but.

Silent Dan Speaks · 08.05.2007, 06:36 PM

I just hate the word "indie". It really says nothing about the music.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham · 08.05.2007, 06:44 PM

I am guilty.
I use it to describe things other than music.

Danny Himself · 08.05.2007, 07:08 PM

Indie is a joke. I would never describe something as indie unless I was making fun of it.

atsonicpark · 08.05.2007, 07:18 PM

i've also decided, after years of genre confusion, scissor shock is now "digital no wave".

HaydenAsche · 08.05.2007, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark

i've also decided, after years of genre confusion, scissor shock is now "digital no wave".

Biggest news in music since Arab on Radar broke up.

atsonicpark · 08.05.2007, 08:35 PM

haha.

seriously, wait till you hear the new ep (ahh.. what the fuck, i was only going to send it to a few people but if anyone wnats it: http://www.sendspace.com/file/09ot07). it's no to the fucknig wave.

max · 08.05.2007, 08:39 PM

well, I (along with a friend) am planning on creating a label. actually more of a collective kinda thing. no money involved. but we are looking forward to create our space. and mostly we are doing this becuz we are sick, too, of seeing things like these happening the all time.

independent is no more, if you're out there on MTV.

Dead-Air · 08.05.2007, 10:29 PM

Really, the fault lies with the British "indie" charts in Melody Maker and the like, which long ago became a barometer of what was aimed at the "indie" market rather than what was produced by people independently.

Today, I find it kind of useful, in that if something I haven't heard before is described as "indie rock", I figure it'll probably be boring, cliched music made by college age kids who cop all of the moves from the interesting bands of the late '80s with none of the innovation. No telling whether they will be on a major or "indie" label of course, but they can, and will, sound the same either way.

As for No Wave revivals, as painful as it was to watch that Kill Your Idols documentary on the subject, it was worth it to hear what Lydia Lunch and James Thirlwell think of that idea!

Everyneurotic · 08.05.2007, 10:32 PM

ohh yeah? monosodic is no scum grind wave.

08.05.2007, 06:55 AM	#1
ZEROpumpkins invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 6,157	Intentional or not, it bugs me that it is a complete contradiction of terms. I'm afraid that it could be the next term that the media catches onto if they haven't already (like in the 90's when grunge was used to describe everything). Who else feels like this? __________________
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demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	'Indie' has referred to a style rather than a record company's industry status for a long time now. But I agree, it is a bit annoying.
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SynthethicalY invito al cielo Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 7,408	Eh, never bothered with anything indie, I just got into what I like. But I do see your point it is quite lame, that there are these bands that are just pop, and are called indie.
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08.05.2007, 01:21 PM	#4
jico. expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,417	its in your title, it's called BRANDING
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08.05.2007, 05:42 PM	#5
matt74m little trouble girl Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: London Posts: 45	I agree, but the major labels caught on to this years ago, buying indie labels so they could put stuff out that had 'credability' or whatever they want to call it. The one that winds me up is 'alternative', which by its nature should be something different to the main stream, but again its just used to give crap bands credibility. Think Synth hit it on the head, you just buy what's good. Shame we can'y use indie or alternative as a pointer any more.
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atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	we need no wave to be brought back. i want to bring it back. __________________
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Sheriff Rhys Chatham invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England. Posts: 4,027	Let's do it. __________________ My Music(grunge rock) A part of this blue shit since June 24th, 2004
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Savage Clone invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,290	Oh, and include "lo-fi" on this list as well. I had a feeling in the early 1990s that "lo-fi" was going to become a buzzword for music of a certain type, and not just for "bedroom production techniques" that describe the way music sounds on recordings. It came true pretty quickly, and a lot of the bands called "lo fi" are anything but.
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08.05.2007, 06:36 PM	#12
Silent Dan Speaks the destroyed room Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 603	I just hate the word "indie". It really says nothing about the music.
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Sheriff Rhys Chatham invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England. Posts: 4,027	I am guilty. I use it to describe things other than music. __________________ My Music(grunge rock) A part of this blue shit since June 24th, 2004
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Danny Himself invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,623	Indie is a joke. I would never describe something as indie unless I was making fun of it.
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atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	i've also decided, after years of genre confusion, scissor shock is now "digital no wave". __________________
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08.05.2007, 08:35 PM	#17
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	haha. seriously, wait till you hear the new ep (ahh.. what the fuck, i was only going to send it to a few people but if anyone wnats it: http://www.sendspace.com/file/09ot07). it's no to the fucknig wave. __________________
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max expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: sardinia, italy Posts: 1,262	well, I (along with a friend) am planning on creating a label. actually more of a collective kinda thing. no money involved. but we are looking forward to create our space. and mostly we are doing this becuz we are sick, too, of seeing things like these happening the all time. independent is no more, if you're out there on MTV. __________________ A Dance Of Shadows - Kingdom Of Night
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Dead-Air invito al cielo Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Portland OR Posts: 4,300	Really, the fault lies with the British "indie" charts in Melody Maker and the like, which long ago became a barometer of what was aimed at the "indie" market rather than what was produced by people independently. Today, I find it kind of useful, in that if something I haven't heard before is described as "indie rock", I figure it'll probably be boring, cliched music made by college age kids who cop all of the moves from the interesting bands of the late '80s with none of the innovation. No telling whether they will be on a major or "indie" label of course, but they can, and will, sound the same either way. As for No Wave revivals, as painful as it was to watch that Kill Your Idols documentary on the subject, it was worth it to hear what Lydia Lunch and James Thirlwell think of that idea! __________________ FuckBook; My Band; My Radio Show; My Flickr Page; Science Fiction Message Board
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Everyneurotic invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mexico Posts: 15,713	ohh yeah? monosodic is no scum grind wave. __________________ Richard Clayderman found alive and still bland! Repo Man has all night! Photographic evidence of Monosodic's existance! New Kiddieriot shit after all! Never too late to share fave rex from the year before! David Keenan is a douchebag! Ron Asheton missed!
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