[Moshe]

I'm posting this in this section with hopes that the youth will join the line up.

No Fun Fest 2008 will take place may 16,17,18 of 2008 at the Knitting
Factory in New York City.

Back to the 3 day format with 2 Stages and adding another basement
space for chilling out/merchandise area/djs while everything else goes
on. The entire Knitting Factory space will be taken over by the fest
for these 3 days.

Initial lineup will be announced November 15 on this list and on the
No Fun Fest website. www.nofunfest.com

Upcoming Releases November 21:
Merzbow 'Live Destruction at No Fun Fest 2007' CD
Nels Cline/Carlos Giffoni/Alan Licht/Lee Ranaldo 'Nothing Makes any
Sense' CD.

we are also hoping to have the Mouthus 2x12" and the new Hive Mind LP
then but we are still having issues with the Vinyl pressing that we
are working to solve.

www.nofunproductions.com

Finally-

No Fun Productions Artist on tour:

Carlos Giffoni,John Wiese+Spencer Yeh US Tour

Fri October, 19 2007 at Silent Barn
Excepter, Yellow Swans, Mouthus, Wiese+Yeh, Carlos Giffoni
915 Wyckoff Ave, Ridgewood, New York

http://www.myspace.com/thesilentbarn
L-Halsey or M-Myrtle/Wyckoff All ages
http://www.toddpnyc.com

Sat October, 20 2007 at Nom D'Artiste
Wiese+Yeh, Carlos Giffoni, TBA (Jay Sullivan ?)
25 Edinboro St. 5th Floor, Boston, Massachusetts
Cost : ?, 9:30 PM

Sun October, 21 2007 at Vox Populi
Wiese+Yeh, Carlos Giffoni, Newton + Antler Piss
319 N. 11th Street, 3rd Floor, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Cost : 8
Ars Nova Workshop http://www.arsnovaworkshop.com/ presents

Mon October, 22 2007 at Velvet Lounge
Damo Suzuki+Kohoutek+Yeh, Giffoni+Wiese+Yeh, Kaleidescope
915 U St. NW, Washington DC, Washington DC 20001
Cost : ??
http://www.velvetloungedc.com

Tues October, 23 2007 at Gallery 5
Wiese+Yeh, Carlos Giffoni, ConstantMauk, Caustic Castle
200 W. Marshall St., Richmond, Virginia 23220
Cost : 5
http://gallery5arts.org presented by 804 Noise

Wed October, 24 2007 at Eyedrum
Wiese+Yeh, Carlos Giffoni, Richard Devine, Tree Creature
290 MLK Jr. Ave., Atlanta, Georgia 30312
Cost : 8
http://www.eyedrum.org/ presented by Blossoming Noise

Thurs October, 25 2007 at Ruby Green
Wiese+Yeh, Carlos Giffoni, Leslie Keffer, Pax Titania, Mr. Natural,
Unicorn Hard-On
514 5th Avenue South, Nashville, Tennessee 37203
Cost : ??
http://www.rubygreen.org/

Fri October, 26 2007 at Pilot Light
Wiese+Yeh, Carlos Giffoni
106 E. Jackson St., Knoxville, Tennessee 37915
Cost : 6
http://www.thepilotlight.com/ 18+

Sat October, 27 2007 at The Void Skate Shop
Wiese+Yeh, Carlos Giffoni, Three Legged Race, Pax Titania
518 E. High St., Lexington, 40502
Cost : 3
WRFL 88.1 FM presents Wiese + Yeh, Carlos Giffoni, Three Legged Race,
others TBA at The Void Skate Shop 518 E. High St. Lexington, KY 8 PM,
all ages, $3 http://www.myspace.com/thevoidskateshop
http://wrfl881.org/

http://www.myspace.com/wieseyeh
http://www.john-wiese.com
http://www.myspace.com/cspenceryeh
http://www.myspace.com/carlosgiffoni
http://www.carlosgiffoni.com
http://www.dronedisco.com

[sonicl]

Originally Posted by Moshe

Upcoming Releases November 21:
Merzbow 'Live Destruction at No Fun Fest 2007' CD
Nels Cline/Carlos Giffoni/Alan Licht/Lee Ranaldo 'Nothing Makes any Sense' CD.

Is it really coming out at last?

[Georgekrz]

This is a good choice. I went to Knitting Factory yesterday for the CMJ show (Sightings, Aa, AIDS Wolf, and 13 other bands) and the three stage set up worked really well, there was no down time between bands and it was fun walking up and down between the three floors. and they already had the No Fun Fest flyers up.

[PAULYBEE2656]

again i say "habib, get out that camcorder again man!"

[Moshe]

CONFIRMED SO FAR:

Upstairs Stage:

ASTRO (Hiroshi Hasegawa)
Tony Conrad + M.V. Carbon
The Haters
Consumer Electronics
Demons
Religious Knives
Sudden Infant
Burning Star Core
Nevari Butchers
Carlos Giffoni
The Skaters
Werewolf Jerusalem
Thurston Moore
Illusion of Safety
Dinosaurs with Horns
Randy Yau
Keith Fullerton Whitman
Nautical Almanac
Edwige
Sudden Infant
Lasse Marhaug + Dror Feiler
Downstairs Stage:

Alvars Orkester
Emeralds
Joseph Hammer
Workbench
Halflings
Shallow Waters
Failing Lights
Sewer Election
FFH
Jason Crumer
James Plotkin
Greg Kelley
Damion Romero
Cornucopia
Alan Licht
Cleanse
Rick Potts
Eskimo King
Greg Kelley
Afternoon Penis
Black Quarter
Ahlzagailzehguh

[Cantankerous]

hellll yesssss

[SynthethicalY]

I am going to see if I can make it this time.

[Everyneurotic]

ahh fuck it, i thought there wasn't a thread for this already.

anyhoo, so to sink the other thread i posted that yes, i'd love to make it this time since the lineup is awesome and diverse and that everyone attending SHOULD NOT miss cornucopia.

by the way, beat you to posting the lineup, moshe.

[Moshe]

sorry everyneurotic. didn't check the other sections of the forum before i have posted it.

[Everyneurotic]

no need for apology, i should apologize for not searching for this thread first.

still, i was just trying to seem like a better, faster and smarter person for posting the lineup first so...IN YR FACE!!!! bwahahahahaha.

[Moshe]

now you can forget that shawarma i promised you.

[jon boy]

i really want to go!!!

[racehorse]

Originally Posted by jon boy

i really want to go!!!

same.
time to look up flights and then moan about the prices.

[Moshe]

interview with carlos giffoni


(This is an interview I did with Carlos Giffoni two weeks ago. An abbreviated form with the introduction below ran on BWOG, here is the link. This is the full interview)

Since the early 2000s, Carlos Giffoni has been at the center of a burgeoning noise scene in New York as a musician, festival curator, collaborator and label owner. He’s released numerous solo recordings as well as collaborations with legendary Japanese noise master Merzbow, Sonic Youth members Lee Ranaldo and Thurston Moore, and renaissance man Jim O’Rourke to name a few. Oh yeah, and Giffoni’s also in two noise supergroups: Monotract, who are on Load Records (home to everybody’s favorite duo: Lightning Bolt) and Death Unit, featuring members of Mouthus and Hair Police. Is Carlos Giffoni an over achiever? Probably, but he would never let you know it.
In most of his solo work and collaborations, Giffoni uses a mixture of computers and analog synths to create music that can be aggressive or gentle, throbbing or static. In 2004, he started No Fun Fest, a three day festival of noise musicians and sound makers which just celebrated its third year. On top of all this, Giffoni runs his own record label, No Fun. Whether or not noise music is your thing, Giffoni is definitely someone to admire. I spoke with him via e-mail over the past week and asked him about his music and extra-curricular activities in anticipation of his show at WBAR on November 15th.

 

Jamie Johns: How did you get interested in noise music/creating and supporting noise music? It seems a lot of people start out listening to more "traditional" music and then working their way up to noise, was this the case with you and what music was particularly influential for you?


Carlos Giffoni: I've been involved in playing in different kinds of bands since I was 14 and I was always interested in the more experimental sounding stuff. I was in Venezuela until I was 17 so at first it was harder to find but I got my hands on as much as I could, the more predictable stuff was always boring to me. I didn't really work up to noise but rather searched for it until I found it. Music particularly influential for me in my teen years: Sonic Youth, Boredoms, Merzbow, Masonna, anything on the Bulb on Hanson records catalog and dozens of acts I started to meet while going on tour in the US when I was 18.

JJ: To be blunt, you've released a LOT of recordings in a number of formats. Just looking over the discography on your site, you've been on nearly 100 recordings! What has been your motivation in releasing so many recordings, some of which have come out in very limited numbers?

CG: I think documenting ones work/growth is very important. Early on I think I might have released a few things that I wouldn't release today, but that's what I was into at the time so each release is a document of what I was interested in at the moment, or what a live collaboration was like at that point. Nowadays the more limited releases are oriented more towards die hard fans of what I do, they might contain ideas/sketches of what I am working on, or interesting collaborations/directions that I wouldn't normally take.

While the more widely available solo full length releases are completed projects, I consider them my personal statements in sound/art/music. The more widely available collaborations I consider as important documents of my work and snapshots of something that happened only once with musicians I respect/like.


JJ: How do you feel about CD/tape/file sharing? Noise music has kind of soared in popularity over the past few years, do you think filesharing has had a role in this?


CG: Well, file sharing has certainly helped any person in the world have access to anything they are interested in, but CD/tape trading has existed in noise since its beginnings and has been essential to this movement. The 'soar' in popularity is just because there is a whole bunch of new kids that are interested in this music, and the previous and still young generation has got to the point where they are confident/have grown musically to present works full of meaning and that are well executed both in recorded format and in the live setting. File sharing has been as influential as it has been to any other genre, so I don't think it has given noise any advantages over others, but certainly in some cases it might have help spread the music outwards.

JJ: How much improvisation do you do onstage?


CG: It really depends on the project I am presenting. My solo work when presented live is a combination of both prepared structures and improvisation, so the structure is pre-set (no backup tracks, all live, always different) but even then I might find something interesting while I am playing and go with it, so this pre-set structure is very elastic. On the other hand, most collaborations are 100% improvised, except for specific projects like Death Unit where there is a good amount of planning involved, or Monotract where there is hardly any improvisation at all.

JJ: Your releases have been a mix of both live recordings and studio recordings, do you feel that the work you do onstage influences what you end up recording in the studio or do you see performance and studio work as entirely separate entities? What do you think is the benefit of a live recording over a studio recording?


CG: I think it is quite the opposite actually. I spend a lot of time on recordings when I am working on a “studio” record. For example for my last full length (Arrogance) I recorded just under 40 hours of stuff before I felt like I had enough material to choose/work from. So the studio material always ends up influencing what I do live, it is where I polish techniques etc… and work out new ideas that are not ready to be presented live. A live performance is never the same as a studio recording though; there are so many factors like volume at a live venue, audience, acoustics of a room, atmospheric conditions that affect the sound of my analog synths... I find the live setting very interesting and important in my music, but for the most part separate to the studio work.

 

JJ: One thing I really admire is the way you work with and support the work of tons of other musicians, either by releasing their records on your label or by performing and recording with them. How important is creating and fostering a community of musicians to you?

CG: It is just what I've always done. It is not the kind of thing I sit down and plan, despite what it might seem like. I am a very impulsive person, I do what I feel like when I feel like it and that's how the fest and other shows I set up started, that's how 95% of the collaborations I’ve done have happened, that's how the label and the releases happen. If I see something I like in a band/musician I go ahead and ask them if they want to work with me with a release on the label. So this community I might be fostering is just a side effect of doing what I need to do to feel alive/content with my work.

JJ: Who is your dream collaborator? Would you ever collaborate with someone who wasn't a noise musician?


CG: I have been very lucky in that so far I have been able to collaborate with almost everyone I considered a “dream collaboration,” so what’s really become more of a dream is to work on film soundtrack at some point. There are many directors I like but it would have to be something abstract or on the fiction/fantasy realm. That's really something I want to do in the future. There are still many musicians I want to work with and if they can be labeled as noise or something else does not matter to me as long as I like their work and we can find some common ground.

JJ: Do you approach your collaborations differently from your solo work?

CG: Yes absolutely. Solo work is a dictatorship, while collaborations are based on ideas from multiple ideas and finding a common ground that works sonically and aesthetically.


JJ: How did No Fun Fest start?

CG: One day I felt that a festival of the music/sound makers I enjoy was necessary and I put it together and made it happen.


JJ: I just read that The Hook has closed down. Will you take the festival to another venue? What does the future hold for No Fun Fest?

CG: Yes, before The Hook closed we had already been talking to Knitting Factory and we are getting the entire venue for 3 days: May 16, 17, and 18.

[Moshe]

Thurston's CD is titled 'Sensitive/Lethal'

[toxic johnny]

I'm definitely going to No Fun this year and I'm beyond excited!

[toxic johnny]

Thanks Nefeli... are you not going ?...

[toxic johnny]

Ha ha... I know what you mean I went through a similar set of emotions before I eventually decided to do it. I had already booked time off work during the No Fun period, before the dates were announced, and saw this a a lucky omen!...

[Moshe]

NO FUN FEST:

Super Excited to announce that Electronic Music Legends CLUSTER will
be performing at No Fun Fest 2008.

we will also be announcing ticket prices and exact dates they go on
sale very soon. Limited 3 day passes will go on sale in february, with
single day tickets going on sale a month later.

www.nofunfest.com for all info

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NO FUN PRODUCTIONS:

2 new limited LP releases available right now,get them before they fly
out.

availible at www.nofunproductions.com :

Hive Mind 'Cast Through Shallow Earth' LP

Synth music for the exploration of desolated lands, slow and detailed
side long movements of pure tonal sound. After millions of years when
everything has withered away and nothing survives what will remain in
this earth? Minerals, boiling lava, smoke, and corrosion in a shallow
earth.Limited to 400 copies. White vinyl!

Mouthus 2x12"

Industrial Psych Rock from Broolyn troglodites of heavyness. Twice the
volume, twice the destruction, twice the machinery, twice the head
ache of psychedelic industrial joy! Play it at whatever speed you
want.Limited to 350 copies.

We forgot to tell you on our last update that we are also now carrying
copies of the Kevin Drumm Prurient new collaboration CD and the
T.Mikawa (from Incapacitants) solo CD

Next in February will be a new full Length by Prurient titled 'And
Still Wanting' the first CD pressing of 1000 copies will come with a
bonus 5" vinyl not available anywhere else.

Happy Holidays from everyone at No Fun!
(we'll be closed from december 22 to january 2 so if you are planning
to order something and want to get it before then please try doing it
this week)

[Georgekrz]

I need to get that Merzbow, at the very least, and Nels Cline/Carlos Giffoni/Alan Licht/Lee Ranaldo. All of them sound good. Notice the Thurston CD in there...

Pain Jerk/Incapacitants at NFF 2007 is my wake up music...