VH1: History of Rock'N'Roll- Punk

SpectralJulianIsNotDead · 01.27.2007, 02:10 AM

They pretty muched skipped over the 80's on the show.

They were like: Iggy Pop, Velvet Underground, New York Dolls, MC5, bla bla bla

Then CBGBs, Sex Pistols, Clash, X, bla bla bla

a little bit of whining and bitching about hardcore without any counter-argument

a little bit of whining and bitching about new wave without any counter-argument or recognition of post-punk.

BAM

Nirvana, with assorted Sonic Youth footage but no mention whatsoever of Sonic Youth.

HECKLER SPRAY · 01.27.2007, 06:03 AM

Try "Punk: Attitudes"by Don Lett, with Thurston, Glenn Branca, Henry Rollins, and other people you mentioned. A good stuff.

PAULYBEE2656 · 01.27.2007, 07:19 AM

its vh1. im sure the police were in the post punk section with wasps arse talking crap. im sure howard devoto wasnt in it. im sure that billy idol was also mentioed. saw that it was on, wasnt arsed watching it to be honest.. punk:attitude is a great watch. the second bonus stuff dvd is probably better than the feature.....

also, i know its got its fair share of knockers, but try kill your idols by s.a. crary too. i like it a lot......

jon boy · 01.27.2007, 07:24 AM

those sorts of shows always dissapoint. i mean they are made for a mainstream audience who dont really listen to that type of stuff anyway. they are never going to please everyone either but i do find it amazing that they do wash over whole sections of musical history without so much as a mention.

sonic probably deserve their own show to be honest.

PAULYBEE2656 · 01.27.2007, 07:32 AM

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sonic probably deserve their own show to be honest.

sonic who????????????

it should happen but it wont. the infuencees have outstripped their infuluencers in the greater scheme of things. id love to see it but it wont be a vh1 thing, it will be a bbc4 thing i reckon..... maybe for the 30th anniversary, well daydream is 20 this year!!!!!!!

jon boy · 01.27.2007, 08:26 AM

[quote=PAULYBEE2656]sonic who????????????[quote]

sonic the hedgehog.

evollove · 01.27.2007, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by HECKLER SPRAY

Try "Punk: Attitudes"by Don Lett, with Thurston, Glenn Branca, Henry Rollins, and other people you mentioned. A good stuff.

I suppose the three minutes they devote to 80s underground makes this a bit better than the others, still....

The old story goes: Sex Pistols broke up. Silence. Then Nirvana! It's a lie, of course. PUNK: ATTITUDE points out this hole, but does little to fill it in.

Read OUR BAND COULD BE YOUR LIFE and get your 80s underground fill. I know, reading is harder than watching, but it's worth it.

HECKLER SPRAY · 01.27.2007, 10:07 AM

Not agree with you, 'cause they hand over to Rollins who explains what the underground punk of the 80's, with Hardcore labels, really was. For sure it's not the main subject of the report, but it's quite interesting. And I admitt they don't show what SY really was in the 80's. I know it's a shame.

Derek · 01.27.2007, 10:39 AM

VH1 documentaries usually leave a lot of things out. They are fun to watch though.

hey alex · 01.27.2007, 01:25 PM

There was a punk doc on VH1 like, dick years ago (i was in middle school)--- and they had a brief skip of the 80's that included a bit of dead kennedys, which got mentioned because they focused on the problem with 870's punk-- neo nazis. And they maybe said something bout black flag. THen nirvana and the green day. Also, There's apparently one (and only one) reason green day got big-- NIRVANA! Becasue no in the mainstream ever said the word 'punk' til they came aroundd... not even the days of ramones and sex pistols-- it was still underground then.

Everyneurotic · 01.27.2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by HECKLER SPRAY

Try "Punk: Attitudes"by Don Lett, with Thurston, Glenn Branca, Henry Rollins, and other people you mentioned. A good stuff.

that movie is a bunch of bollocks, a side from great commentary and some even greater footage (like some pre-rasta bad brains show) it's fucking bullshit. they just said that "no wave" was a representation of the ultimate punk and just gave a quick mention to the bands involved, mostly concentrating on the time james chance beat up legs mcneil, forgot to mention that branca went on to be a composer then hardcore as being violent crap with some sprks of good things, they didn't even got to use appropriate agnostic front footage (used one video from their 90's reunion), didn't mention the germs, didn't mention fear, almost didn't mention black flag and then wham sonic youth as a pit stop to NIRVANA!!!!

of course, how much time can you devoter after spending almost half the movie retelling the tale of the sex pistols and how revolutionary were the clash because they started adding reggae to punk and devoting something like 10 minutes to chrissy hinde talking about how cool she is.

read american hardcore and our band could be your life instead.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead · 01.27.2007, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HECKLER SPRAY

Not agree with you, 'cause they hand over to Rollins who explains what the underground punk of the 80's, with Hardcore labels, really was. For sure it's not the main subject of the report, but it's quite interesting. And I admitt they don't show what SY really was in the 80's. I know it's a shame.

Was that in the Up From the Underground episode? I was flipping between that and the hockey game last night, and I mostly saw the people talking about rap, and then I saw them talk about jane's addiction and REM.

HECKLER SPRAY · 01.27.2007, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SpectralJulianIsNotDead

Was that in the Up From the Underground episode? I was flipping between that and the hockey game last night, and I mostly saw the people talking about rap, and then I saw them talk about jane's addiction and REM.

I wasn't talking about this crapy documentary you saw on VH1. Punk : Attitudes is more complete than this shit. And I saw the longer version with a 10 minutes interview of Henri Rollins about Blag Flag and Hardcore, some comparisons with the New Wave, how Nirvana came up among the other bands, other SY stuffs, what those bands became... Not only masturbation on the Pistols and the Clash as you said.
Sorry Everyneurotic and Spectral, but I'm a little pigheaded asshole.

krastian · 01.30.2007, 01:12 AM

True, but it's more a glance at the origins of punk....all in all the episodes are half decent for a 45 minute glance at different aspects of "rock." Either way this shit was made in 1995 and was the first (I believe) doc of the history of rock.....I remember when they first showed it on PBS.

01.27.2007, 02:10 AM	#1
SpectralJulianIsNotDead invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,409	They pretty muched skipped over the 80's on the show. They were like: Iggy Pop, Velvet Underground, New York Dolls, MC5, bla bla bla Then CBGBs, Sex Pistols, Clash, X, bla bla bla a little bit of whining and bitching about hardcore without any counter-argument a little bit of whining and bitching about new wave without any counter-argument or recognition of post-punk. BAM Nirvana, with assorted Sonic Youth footage but no mention whatsoever of Sonic Youth.
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HECKLER SPRAY invito al cielo Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Near Paris, France Posts: 3,762	Try "Punk: Attitudes"by Don Lett, with Thurston, Glenn Branca, Henry Rollins, and other people you mentioned. A good stuff. __________________
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PAULYBEE2656 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: wexford, rep of ireland Posts: 6,930	its vh1. im sure the police were in the post punk section with wasps arse talking crap. im sure howard devoto wasnt in it. im sure that billy idol was also mentioed. saw that it was on, wasnt arsed watching it to be honest.. punk:attitude is a great watch. the second bonus stuff dvd is probably better than the feature..... also, i know its got its fair share of knockers, but try kill your idols by s.a. crary too. i like it a lot...... __________________ myspace facebook *twitter*
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jon boy invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: psycho battery Posts: 12,161	those sorts of shows always dissapoint. i mean they are made for a mainstream audience who dont really listen to that type of stuff anyway. they are never going to please everyone either but i do find it amazing that they do wash over whole sections of musical history without so much as a mention. sonic probably deserve their own show to be honest. __________________ Sarcasm[A] is stating the opposite of an intended meaning especially in order to sneeringly, slyly, jest or mock a person, situation or thing \|@ <------- Euphoric brain cell just moments before expiration V _ \ / _ PING <-------- moments later / \ http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljhxq...isruo1_500.gif
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jon boy invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: psycho battery Posts: 12,161	[quote=PAULYBEE2656]sonic who????????????[quote] sonic the hedgehog. __________________ Sarcasm[A] is stating the opposite of an intended meaning especially in order to sneeringly, slyly, jest or mock a person, situation or thing \|@ <------- Euphoric brain cell just moments before expiration V _ \ / _ PING <-------- moments later / \ http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljhxq...isruo1_500.gif
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HECKLER SPRAY invito al cielo Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Near Paris, France Posts: 3,762	Not agree with you, 'cause they hand over to Rollins who explains what the underground punk of the 80's, with Hardcore labels, really was. For sure it's not the main subject of the report, but it's quite interesting. And I admitt they don't show what SY really was in the 80's. I know it's a shame. __________________
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Derek invito al cielo Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,095	VH1 documentaries usually leave a lot of things out. They are fun to watch though.
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01.27.2007, 01:25 PM	#10
hey alex the end of the ugly Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 791	There was a punk doc on VH1 like, dick years ago (i was in middle school)--- and they had a brief skip of the 80's that included a bit of dead kennedys, which got mentioned because they focused on the problem with 870's punk-- neo nazis. And they maybe said something bout black flag. THen nirvana and the green day. Also, There's apparently one (and only one) reason green day got big-- NIRVANA! Becasue no in the mainstream ever said the word 'punk' til they came aroundd... not even the days of ramones and sex pistols-- it was still underground then. __________________ Duran Duran's 1995 covers album Thank You was recently voted the worst album of all time by a Q magazine poll. Although we respectfully disagree (Sonic Youth's NYC Ghosts & Flowers is clearly the worst album of all time) -Pitchfork (hahahah!) Here's a myspace of my music and 4-track ramblings the electric kites--the jamz of me n my friends
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01.30.2007, 01:12 AM	#14
krastian invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Baltimore Posts: 7,808	True, but it's more a glance at the origins of punk....all in all the episodes are half decent for a 45 minute glance at different aspects of "rock." Either way this shit was made in 1995 and was the first (I believe) doc of the history of rock.....I remember when they first showed it on PBS. __________________ Confusion is next and next after that is the Truth.
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