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Originally Posted by Kuhb

She actually plays on the album but aside from 2 or 3 moments you can't tell because they've got her sounding like a drum machine.

But you're right, drummers matter a lot (in music that isn't 'produced' of course).

i used to love this band

now i dont even want to listen after that fist single. yikes!

[Kuhb]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

i know most people here worship the holy geetar, but in rock and jazz, drums have always been more número uno than arnold himself

 

sorry geetar aficionados, es la verdad

 

throne indeed

Interesting that Janet cites Elvin Jones as one of her favourite drummers (as any serious drummer should haha), who is a drummer you can tell is playing on a record within the first two beats

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Originally Posted by Kuhb

Interesting that Janet cites Elvin Jones as one of her favourite drummers (as any serious drummer should haha), who is a drummer you can tell is playing on a record within the first two beats

mira qué bonito

https://youtu.be/msbg4iaW5nE

[Severian]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

I've pretty much hated this music since the beginning (and before if Heavens To Betsy counts, since they drove me insane too), but I really do like how this situation hasmade it clear that drummers fucking matter and aren't somehow "more easily replaceable" than other members of a band. It's a big deal who sits on that throne.

Buuuuut... Janet plays on the album.


???

[Savage Clone]

I was more extrapolating on the general flap surrounding her departure. Carry on.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

I was more extrapolating on the general flap surrounding her departure. Carry on.

Lol k

[Peterpuff]

Both new SK and Pixies' albums are utterly unlistenable crap, imo. Both bands are really killing their legacies trying to draw this crap out.

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Originally Posted by Peterpuff

Both new SK and Pixies' albums are utterly unlistenable crap, imo. Both bands are really killing their legacies trying to draw this crap out.

hahaha!

internet hi fives...

[Severian]

Originally Posted by Peterpuff

Both new SK and Pixies' albums are utterly unlistenable crap, imo. Both bands are really killing their legacies trying to draw this crap out.

New SK is not unlistenable crap, what the fuck?

You guys are turning into old fucks man.

Cantankerous about shit. Goddamn.

It’s like a 6.5/10 maybe. Nowhere near unlistenable. Talking like it’s Imagine Dragons or some shit. Fuck me.

[Peterpuff]

Originally Posted by Severian

Talking like it’s Imagine Dragons or some shit. Fuck me.

Haha, this made me chuckle. And fair enough, I won't put it on that level by any means. But holy shit...no...neither are worth a shit. If you wanna go a rating route, I can't do more than a fair 4/10 at most, for either.

3 songs is my limit so far. I do keep trying to give both albums a chance. I really do. I have been through each full album, starting at different spots for short bouts, but I just can not listen to either for more than 3 songs at a time. Not being dramatic or bullshitting. 3 songs in a row, and I just can't handle any more... I have to move on to something else and revisit.

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i’d give them a 4 too but my threshold of listenability is above that number and so i’m skipping. tried too, but it was cringeworthy. so sorry.

the old fuck element might have something to do with it too, but only in the sense that as death approaches time becomes more precious and one is less prone to waste it trying to prove things to others.

so i’d rather spend these final hours relistening to janet’s drums on dig me out

(also everyone else in it, because that band was awesome in that album, but everything changes and that’s life. fortunately, we have recordings of such past glories.)

[Screaming Skull]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

cringeworthy.

Perfect adjective.

With the release of non-album single ‘ANIMAL’, it seems S-K are admitting The Center Won’t Hold is bad. Who releases a non-album single less than two months after putting out a brand new record? Usually artists put out singles to market the new album and tour...

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Originally Posted by Screaming Skull

Perfect adjective.

With the release of non-album single ‘ANIMAL’, it seems S-K are admitting The Center Won’t Hold is bad. Who releases a non-album single less than two months after putting out a brand new record? Usually artists put out singles to market the new album and tour...

animal starts pretty good! then it breaks into a dumb unlistenable chorus

is that the “groundbreaking” contribution of their producer?

gimme the person who produced kim gordon’s new record instead...

 

[Kuhb]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

animal starts pretty good! then it breaks into a dumb unlistenable chorus

is that the “groundbreaking” contribution of their producer?

There's a couple of cool guitar tones and well blended synth/guitar moments but you're right, it feels underwhelming.

For me, part of the issue is that the intense band dynamic/chemistry and high energy performance was carrying a lot of the load on SK's previous albums. Their songs (in terms of chords, melody) don't have a whole lot going on, to the point that if you played many of their songs on, say, piano and vocals... they wouldn't really work. They're a riff and performance band and they do it better than almost anyone.

And, they're also a band with a highly distinctive drummer who makes a huge contribution, which is neutered when reduced to playing drum machine parts with occasional fills.

This 'production' on the new album pretty much collapses that raucous band energy and replaces it with a kind of faux-80s new wave feel. The songs don't have the elements needed to work in that mode. It just comes across as undercooked and that they're working very hard in a mode which doesn't suit.

All my opinions of course.

[The Soup Nazi]

This Sleater-Kinney topic is spread over at least three threads and I don't care for that one bit. Anyway, since this one involves Pixies, why haven't you fuckers mentioned Kim Shattuck?

https://news.google.com/topics/CAAqJAgKIh5DQkFTRUFvS0wyMHZNREYzYzJab01SSUNaVzRvQU FQAQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen



When I met Wilco's John Stirratt he told me a couple of funny stories about her. She was a true rock and roller.

@ Severian: I haven't forgotten our talk; it's just been a bad week healthwise and without internet access. Will return to that "issue".

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Originally Posted by Kuhb

There's a couple of cool guitar tones and well blended synth/guitar moments but you're right, it feels underwhelming.

For me, part of the issue is that the intense band dynamic/chemistry and high energy performance was carrying a lot of the load on SK's previous albums. Their songs (in terms of chords, melody) don't have a whole lot going on, to the point that if you played many of their songs on, say, piano and vocals... they wouldn't really work. They're a riff and performance band and they do it better than almost anyone.

And, they're also a band with a highly distinctive drummer who makes a huge contribution, which is neutered when reduced to playing drum machine parts with occasional fills.

This 'production' on the new album pretty much collapses that raucous band energy and replaces it with a kind of faux-80s new wave feel. The songs don't have the elements needed to work in that mode. It just comes across as undercooked and that they're working very hard in a mode which doesn't suit.

All my opinions of course.

that was, wow, almost too accurate

great explanation, really